This sounds like a letter that appeared in yesterday's Buf-Snooze: "When will the wealthy share in sacrifice?" However, like the above column, the letter argues from a false premise.

In response to that letter, the real question ought to be: When will society's complainers stop trying to commandeer the fruits of achievers' labors and start applying themselves?

And this column argues from, and tosses around, all kinds of false premises. This column seems to suggest that those who are "down and out" are expressing their rage, and are acting within their rights to demand that government give them something.

The real message is: Obey the law, respect others' property, and apply yourself if you want to do better.

Mark Twain said it best: "Don't say that the world owes you anything. The world owes you nothing; it was here first."

For the most part, I agree with the article. But, don't focus too much on looting and underplay the burning of police stations. I think the British connected the dots pretty well, they got the cops who brutalized their children. Riot, rebellion, whatever you call it. Police brutality set off the whole thing in a way that is akin to US riots/rebellions of recent history (i.e. LA 1992, Detroit 1969, etc.).

Could it happen again in the US? Maybe. But, in the US we have much less to lose, since our social safety net isn't as strong as the UK. In the US, we never had free universal college tuition, universal health care, etc. and most of our young people have already resolved to having no social security and losing their economic security.

Mike ...you hit the nail square on the head again.....

Lloyd...you continue to live in your neocon bubble and you have no credibility to anyone other than the Faux Snewz true believers and the Teabags....but then again you think you live in the "Commonweath of Niagara" where Carl Paladino reigns as King....

Yeah, yeah. Schools and jobs. But, let's not take the analysis too far, either. Now that we've got a riot going on, real-time, let's race-bait just enough so as not to incur the responsibility.


The "spark" was cowardly demagogues, like you, perpetually telling blacks that they have an inherited right to be angry, without any coherent, constructive outlets for this anger. That is, other than to fight for *your* agendas. For example, keeping teachers employed and well-equipped.


And, How do *they* go about that? They go about it by perfecting some of the most obnoxious, anti-social, chip-on-the-shoulder public behaviors, that must exist in any civilized nation on earth, as a lame-ass substitute for genuine civil disobedience.

Then, after they stink up every public and private venue that they can get away with - just short of angering the citizens to the point of attacking and beating them in the form of an angry mob - they also take those behaviors into the schools for higher education that you have groomed them, so well, into fighting for, as their salvation. There, as well, they become so distracting that "cultural sensitivity" needs to be codified into school policy in order to justify looking the other way, at all of this. This, of course, is to whitewash the serious problem that they create of bringing the overall level down - thanks to their never-ending theatrics and the play-dumb games that they use that are designed to monopolize every resource that they can, for themselves, including every bit of attention that they can get from those around them.

A few years ago, I worked in the admin office, after my classes, when I was attending ECC North. I remember the disgust evinced by some of the staff, there, when the subject of the city campus - the most overrun of the three - came up. And, these were very Affirmative Action oriented people. Everyone knew. It was a beautiful old building, overrun by a bunch of ghetto punks and sluts with little respect for the opportunities that they were being given. The other campuses were, of course, better, but only by degree.


Of course, you'll chalk all of this up to "not enough funding" for materials (and your salaries), Right? Do you seriously think that an inadequate toolkit of teaching aids is the problem, here? I remember being impressed with my own text books. What I wasn't impressed with was the mediocre instructors.

I wonder if Niman has stopped into the downtown Central library, lately? Maybe, he would like it. It's virtually a community center for the most ignorant people in the city, now.


Here's what you get at the downtown library, now:

Screaming babies, accompanied by single mothers. Endless parades of small inner city youngsters on field trips. A plethora of scheduled presentations within the centrally-located, open atmosphere "ring of knowledge" (which always seem liberal/progressive in nature). Bums sitting everywhere, pretending to engage in patron activity. Lots of welfare trash obliviously stuffing their faces with food and drink, anywhere in the library. Little available bandwith for Wifi users (or the library computers, for that matter) - due to all of these "disadvantaged" youth bettering their minds with streaming hip-hop videos. A cafe atmosphere with the background noise level of a mall.

I remember when libraries were quiet places for intellectual pursuits.


But, my point involves the juvenile antics that are also encouraged by this new, lowered level for a library:

Punks and "gangstas" often sprawling at the tables, loudly doing "cell yell" on their phones or playing audible music through them. Or, outside: Hanging out by the entrance or sometimes crawling over guard rails in order to stand on the elevated marble fixtures - where they can sway, dance and sing to their headphones; and thereby, turn such areas into places where patrons have to "walk a guantlet", there, too. Teenagers and young adults.

Hopelessness, based on a lack of education, is - at least, partly - bullshit. Independent reading - as opposed to structured education - is how you really prepare the mind. Black youth have plenty of opportunity to come to this impressive, free public institution for such independent pursuits. Instead, they turn it into another one of their free, public playground shitholes. They play for racial turf.

But, the really nasty side-effect of their lowlife tactics is that they bring the entire level down by destroying the ambiance for anyone (themselves included) who might actually want to get something out of what a library has to offer. Entertainment venues are not very compatible with left brain functions. Unfortunately, today's liberal teaching methods prefer stimulating the functions of the right-brain.


(Of course, the real underlying problem, here, is that our public library system is little more, anymore, than a hiring program for women and blacks. Either, most of these people should be fired and replaced, or it should be shut down and privatized. The government model has had it's shot, and it would seem to have done some real good, in the past. However, it is now merging - in some slimy way - with the social services system ...and, therefore, being used to promote its agendas.

For a demonstration, I'd like to see Niman try relying as strictly, as possible, on another local progressive model that we've had: The NFTA bus/rail system ....For, at least, say, six months. I'd like to see what he would write about it, after he experienced what it's become ever since Byron Brown became mayor and they began hiring drivers from the welfare rolls. No riding under his own credentials, now ...that would be cheating. He has to ride as just another white male, minding his own business.

I'd like for him to see just what unpleasant bastards some of these drivers are, these days. Anyone who remembers what assholes these people could be, in the past, hasn't seen anything ...until they've gone Metro! I suggest six months because I estimate that it would take at least that long for even that liberal sense of guilt to wear thin. At that point, even he would enjoying the thought of suggesting to some of these entitled phony racists to kiss his royal white ass.

Not to mention, how "some" of the passengers take their cues from this. Mike writes like a mixing/slumming, "Rainbow" kind of liberal ...wait until he gets to mix with all of the sleazy prostitutes and thugs who enjoy blocking the egresses on each vehicle. He could play anthroplogist, doing a study. Then, he could crank out a book. We could read how he did some hot hootchie momma, that he met on her way to the Rath Building, who later dumped him by taking out an unnecessary protection order, all so that she could qualify for free women's services "....Ahhh, 'culture'....the spice of life." We could also read about how much reading he *didn't* get to do on mass transit thanks to the ubiquitious, shrieking headphone that today's inner-city populace seem to consider more essential than they do belts for male pants ...or, education.

But, again: Dude must stay undercover. The moment he says "I'm doing a study...", the results are tainted. Then, he would report back to us with all of this beautiful bullshit about the interesting productive people who comprise Buffalo's multi-cultural populace "...right on our own Metro buses". *cough* *cough*: The former scenario is today's real Buffalo. He can take the dare, if he disputes this. Of course, this is all just indulging in wishful thinking.).


I hope that when the federal calvary finally comes marching in to raze all of these filthy, decaying syndicates of whores, racist black terrorists who rove the streets, trying to obstruct and intimidate citizens and businesses, and the scummy legal/health/educational professionals who prey on the whole social tragedy, that they've carefully cultivated - I say - I hope that the soldiers pay special attention to the Affirmative Action crowd.

I hope that in so doing a lot of gallows are erected ...if not, Roman crosses. :D

Mike I think you are wrong to think that this riot was not about race. I would never say that this riot was not about class and the situation of the youth, but I would not exclude race as a necessary constituent in the greater happening. A London blogger on Democracy Now claimed that the London police saw in-custody deaths at a rate of 2 per month over 11 years. That's a death for every pay cycle!
Earlier, in that same Democracy Now segment, Darcus Howe, who was an activist during the 81 Brixton riots and was an activist in the 70s describes the over policing as worse for his Grandson, than for his son and himself. If 3 generations of black people can bear witness to the worsening use of increasingly murderous policing and this get so little reportage in the media, then I think this is still a race thing.

Police brutality is still treated as a fringe complaint, but it is the too often the state murdering. Why should this not be grounds for insurrection? Answer, it is only a minority concern. If wealthy people were dying by the hands of the police it would be different, I agree. But when the victims are mostly from another race our institutions are accept answers like, he had a gun and shot it at us, but LUCKILY this radio caught the bullet!

Thanks for doing the right thing and saying it like it really is.

I know that you, Uncklebuck, have no credibility anywhere. What about me?

Thank you for saying it like it is, Turin :)

No sense in us Yanks speculating when you can hear how a Brit sees it: http://www.youtube.com/patcondell#p/a/u/0/9pAC0YSmK0g

@Jay
Are you saying that a Brit speaks sees the truth so we Yanks should have nothing to say?

You have it backwards. One needs a certain distance to judge fairly. Always after these upheavals of class and race, we have "decent" people crying over lost property. Where does your Brit end up? Sounding like a Nazi characterizing the other as animals that should be slaughtered. Bravo!

The Brit stated a proven falsehood. He said this started when Duggan aimed a gun at the police. Duggan had no gun. The only gun found belonged to the Taxi driver and was still tucked away. The bullet found in the police radio came from a police gun. So Jay's source is unreliable.

Gracias, Bravo.

Niman's liberal racism always falls on the black side of any applicable issue that can somehow be made to fit within working class/union paradigms. Any other time, this would be just another "po' wittle, picked on, bwack boi" story.

The facts that I put down about Buffalo are obvious to anyone who actually lives here - most of the idiot trolls who litter these columns with their generalized flame wars, are just Googling the few facts that they manage to say anything about. Those who don't know the facts are just defending their entrenched mythologies. Downtown Buffalo would be a genuine case study in class distinctions for a true leftist. I can't commend the white Golgafrinchams who continually taunt the black agitators with their vapid class airs, of treating them like they're not there. The vast majority of them are just crossover-union rednecks strutting in officewear....

The angry Brit was really triumphant when he rehearsed the false police excuse, but we know that this is a falsehood. What really happened? Many people witnessed a police execution. Those people shared what they saw and witnessed the media accounts echoing an official lie. Here we are weeks later and people are still quoting a known lie and talking a lot of shit.

Turin, Artvoice needs you to have a column. By now we all know Niman lobs these kind of softballs to hear the reality of it all from people like you and better you say it because in that paper he can't. It's a total invitation. Thanks

So true. The problem with No-man, though, is that (like FArtvoice, itself) he's too much a tool of the establishment. Liberals carved out their own niche decades, ago, and have been sitting on their own established dogmas, ever since. Waking people up, to teach them how to think for themselves, stopped being who they were a long time ago.

I'd be curious as to whether he actually believes that he goes against the grain. Whether he even really believes in posing challenges to anything, at all. I grew up thinking of liberals (as I thought that I understood them) as heroes who made the news because they were right and fighting to have that truth heard. I finally learned, though, that all that most of them ever were was a bunch of pussies ...Sickening.

Reading the post-Niman comments in AV are like eavesdropping on the conversations taking place in a Psych Ward - before the meds are dispensed - entertaining, in a bizarre sort of way but not something you'd really like to partake in.

@Max
I am not crazy and in no need of meds stronger than coffee, so let me confirm and not assume your intent. . . You took part in a discussion against the advise you are offering as a contribution to the discussion you think it best not to participate in. OK! I get it now, you're nuts!

No, you're not nuts, just expressing irony. But, just like you, all the people who commented post-Niman article are not nuts, well, I don't know about the Shroud. But I don't think that your contribution was in the Gandhian Spirit of "be the change you want to see".

Thanks for saying what everyone is thinking Turin!

Right Linda. Virtually all of the trolling that goes on in this forum originates with a sick puppy by the name of Paul Elam who has a personal issue with Turin and all other legitimate MRAs. This loser who is around 60 and still lives with his grandmother once had a license in counselling or psychiatry of some sort until it was revoked after the death of a young male patient who killed himself after experiencing intense psychological guilt/shame manipulations by Paul. He walked away from that and today run's a cover website called Voice for Men. This childish asshole is a pariah in most legitimate men's groups and therefore rarely posts anything anywhere under his true moniker. Most of those groups have him written off as some lonely sexual offender seeking acceptance, which is pretty much all that he is. Whenever he finds someone to target he stalks the poor victim all over the internet.

This guy is whack. Just look at his various handles. Should you ever see anything original and intelligent posted under any of them it will always be some fucked up Ted Kaczynski-Freudian-feminist mish-mash about men and women both needing a tit from Gaia and each other every now & then. No shit. It's always some fringe environmental bullshit about relationships, needing to get back to the garden or whatever to bring back the mother goddess or some other obscene filth.

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@ Heronimous

I guess the next time the authorities do something I disagree with I have free reign to take your stuff, burn down your place, and roll you car ;) If not I guess you'd sound like a Nazi then...