Current Issue: Artvoice v7n47, week of Thursday November 20 » back issues
Casino Update |
Stop Stalling, Says The Judgeby Bruce Jackson |
|
|
Skretny says it's time for action
(Editor’s note: Just as this edition went to press, the Seneca Gaming Corporation announced it was suspending construction on its downtown Buffalo casino and its hotel in Salamanca. The SGC cited the poor economy and hard times for the gambling industry. Gambling continues in the blue metal slots parlor.)
Sometimes the lawsuit brought by a group of citizens and citizens’ organizations to block the Senecas’ downtown Buffalo casino seems like a soap opera: You think the plot is actually getting somewhere but then you realize it’s just going around one more time, and may very well continue doing so until all the current players have been worn out and replaced.
And other times it is like one of those inexorable processes slowly moving toward an inevitable conclusion, a process that is maddening because you think you know where it has to wind up yet the rules won’t let you just go there. You must go step by step by step by step.
In the most recent development, US District Court Judge William M. Skretny followed up on his July 8 ruling that the casino operated in downtown Buffalo by the Seneca Nation of Indians had been improperly authorized by the National Indian Gaming Commission (NIGC) with an order to NIGC to do what it is supposed to do when a tribe of Indians is operating a casino improperly or illegally. He hasn’t told them what to do other than that: Get off your duffs and obey the law.
The law seems to prescribe two courses of action in such situations: a fine or shutting the operation down temporarily (“temporarily” in a legal case like this can stretch into forever if conditions are right). Since the basis of the judge’s order is his July 8 ruling that the Buffalo casino is illegal, a fine isn’t a rational option, since that would merely let the Senecas pay a fee for continuing an operation that would still be illegal. They would immediately have to pay another, and another, and another. They might be willing to do that, but the courts wouldn’t stand for that kind of foolishness. That leaves NIGC only one course of action: shutting it down.
The judge’s ruling is perhaps like telling a traveler, “Go down this road and when you reach the end of it you can turn left or right. Your choice.” The traveler gets there and finds a road on the left, but on the right there is only a loop that keeps bringing him back to exactly the same intersection. He can take the loop, but he’s not moving anywhere. NIGC can administer a fine, but that won’t be changing anything.
The judge set no timeline for this action but he did say NIGC should act “forthwith,” which in the world of the courts means “Do it now.” Even so, it is likely that the Senecas will continue operating their blue slot machine shed and constructing what they hope will be their full-bore casino and hotel/entertainment complex while the legal process continues. If the past is any predictor of the future, it is also likely that NIGC will continue to drag its feet and act as if it doesn’t quite get the point the judge has spelled out with great clarity in his two opinions.
If that happens, the plaintiffs will probably be back in court asking the judge to light a fire under them, at which point he might issue another order, this one with a performance date in it. And if they don’t perform by that date? Then the judge is empowered to hold the defendants in the case—Philip N. Hogen (in his official capacity as chairman of NIGC), NIGC itself, the US Department of the Interior, and Dirk Kempthorne (in his official capacity as the secretary of the interior)—in contempt of court.
Kempthorne and Hogen may both be thinking that, unless McCain wins, they’ve only got a few months to go in Washington, so they might as well do nothing because by the time this comes up again in Judge Skretny’s court someone else may be in their jobs to take the heat and deal with this mess. And they may be right. That won’t change anything other than the proper nouns on the next court order.
What the plaintiffs wanted and what they got
The plaintiffs had asked Judge Skretny to direct NIGC to shut the Buffalo casino down permanently and, if they didn’t do that, to have the US marshals go in and do it. I don’t know anybody who ever thought there was a chance the judge would order that kind of urban warfare. Movie directors do things like that; US district court judges in lawsuits generally opt for far less melodramatic devices of persuasion.
The law, the opinion indicated, didn’t give the judge that option anyway. When there is evidence that something illegal is going on in connection with an Indian casino, the NIGC is obligated to do something about it. In a case like this, its options are specific. The judge spelled out those options and told NIGC to exercise its authority. That may wind up at the same place, but the judge was being careful to couch his order in terms of the law creating and controlling Indian casinos. He knows perfectly well that this case is not going to end when he issues his final opinion and order in it. Everything he is writing has a double audience: right now the two sides in the case, and down the road the appellate court or courts to which the losing party in his court will almost certainly turn.
That is why (I assume) he not only limited his ruling to a very narrow area—other than telling NIGC it had to obey the law and spelling out which laws it had to obey, he left the specific course of action, inevitable as it might be, up to NIGC itself—but he rejected each of the defendants’ motions with great attention to legal detail. Other federal judges in the Buffalo district point out that Judge Skretny picks very good law clerks and he uses them well; he doesn’t like being reversed and rarely is.
I think that also gives greater weight to what might otherwise seem simply a slap on the wrist to the plaintiffs in a footnote on page 8: “Plaintiffs filed a passionate and lengthy response to Defendants’ motion [to remand],” he wrote. “Unfortunately, that well-written response, in large part, lacks relevant law directed to the arguments raised and authority advanced by the Defendants. As such, it is of limited value on the precise questions before the Court.”
On one level, that paragraph says exactly what it seems to say: If the plaintiffs think a lazy legal brief that relies on passion, good writing, and length is going to sway him, they’re wrong. Unless all of that is undergirded by a solid body of black-letter and case law, it’s just a bunch of lawyers’ words, pieces of paper that are just this side of useless.
But the judge’s comment also serves notice that the plaintiffs’ argument did not form part of his thinking when he found the defendants’ response and motion without value. He relied on his own knowledge of the law and of cases to reach his conclusion. If the defendants are going to appeal his August 26 decision, they will have a difficult time using inadequacies in the plaintiffs’ argument to confuse the issue. The chastising footnote at the bottom of page 8 basically takes that argument off the table.
How long is “temporary”?
Judge Skretny rejected the plaintiffs’ request that NIGC be directed to issue a permanent closure order. The punishment part of the law specifies only temporary closure, and the plaintiffs themselves acknowledged that if there is a legal determination of gambling eligibility then gambling could occur on the land.
That would require a full environmental (and economic) impact study, a process that takes years, one that former Buffalo Mayor Anthony Masiello, current Mayor Byron Brown, and the Senecas have all been anxious to avoid. All three have made exorbitant claims about the economic benefits that would accrue to Buffalo if a casino were in operation downtown; in their press conferences this week, Seneca spokesmen have upped the number of new jobs they claim the casino would bring from 1,000 to 1,500. None of them has wanted a public examination of the real costs to the city of such an operation.
The proposed casino would take out of the city far more money than it contributes in either direct payments (the city’s small cut of the slot machine action) or in payroll and local spending. All studies elsewhere indicate that the casino jobs would come at the cost of far more local jobs, many of them better paying. In other cities where proposed casinos have had to undergo this kind of sunshine process, the results have varied. Some cities have decided they could live with the casino, others have decided that the numbers told a story they couldn’t accept. The Buffalo situation is less favorable for gambling interests than those other cities because they were all ordinary, commercial casinos, paying all state and local taxes and subject to all state and local laws; an Indian casino in the heart of a city would pay no taxes and be subject to very few state and local laws.
Little wonder that the two mayors and the Seneca Gaming Corporation have struggled to avoid such scrutiny. In all likelihood, this issue will be decided on the basis of the current situation, in the courts and not through a long-term environmental impact process.
The orthopedic mode of legal argument
Ordinary arguments build. One point adds to another and those add to another and when you think you’ve put forward enough of them, you utter a sentence that begins with “Therefore,” or something like it, and sit back with your arms folded and wait to see if your partner or the jury buys what you’re selling.
That kind of argument requires that the individual points add up to a totality that is convincing; all the parts have to support one another and that conclusion. If you argue with points that are mutually exclusive, then you’re almost certain to lose: Your partner won’t buy it and the jury won’t convict. The best-known example of the latter in recent years is perhaps the O.J. Simpson felony trial, which collapsed in large part because a glove the prosecutor said Simpson wore when he was committing two murders didn’t fit. Simpson stood in front of the jury with the glove that wouldn’t go over his hand, turning the hand with the ill-fitting glove this way and that, and looking at the jury with an expression that seemed to say, “See what foolishness this case is based on?” Later, in summation, his attorney said again and again, like a mantra, “If it doesn’t fit, you must acquit.” And so the jury did.
But in the legal world of motions, arguments aren’t cumulative. An attorney can put totally contradictory arguments out there, every one of which exists in a legal universe that excludes the others, and the judge or group of appellate judges can reject all in every regard but accept one and the lawyer may get the desired result anyway.
In this phase of the casino case, Justice Department attorneys argued that Judge Skretny had no jurisdiction in the case, that the law had empowered NIGC to decide these matters and the courts couldn’t come in and tell its three members how to do their job. The Justice Department also argued that a change in the way Bureau of Indian Affairs (BIA) interpreted the Indian Gaming Regulatory Act changed the way the pieces of this case fit together, so the judge should take back his July 8 decision and allow NIGC to start afresh.
In one of those arguments, the Justice Department was saying the judge had no business here in the first place. In the other it said that the judge had every right to be here but should step aside because things had changed and he had the power to set the clocks back to their starting point.
In ordinary discussion someone presented with a pair of arguments like that might say, “First you tell me I have no business here and then you tell me how I should conduct myself while doing business here? Come back when you’ve got your act together.”
But this is more like setting a broken bone than an ordinary argument, or even a jury trial. Doctors setting broken bones like to get them as close to where they were before the break as possible, but only sometimes can they push the two pieces together like the broken arm of a chair ready to be glued. Often there are chips that must be cleared away, and often the break happens in a way so that the pieces can’t be lined up perfectly. No matter: As long as any section of one part of the break is touching any section of the other part of the break, the bone will heal. New bone will grow around that spot and later it will be as if the bone were a single piece, but with a curious bump in the place where the break occurred.
No way, anyway
The judge rejected entirely the defendants’ argument that the chairman of NIGC had the discretion whether or not to act in a case like this and that the court could not force the chairman to act. The law, the judge wrote, “provides that the NIGC shall issue a complaint whenever it has reason to believe a tribal gaming facility is operating in violation of the IGRA. This language is mandatory, it connotes immediacy, and it is entirely consistent with Congress’s charge to the NIGC to safeguard the integrity of Indian gaming. Congress directs the NIGC to act upon any indication of the existence of a violation; it does not give the Commission discretion to ignore violations or choose not to issue a complaint.”
The defendants also argued that the judge was limited to making his decision in terms of “the law relied on by the agency. If the administrative record does not contain all of the law the Court believes is relevant, Defendants contend that the Court should not decide the matter, but should remand the case.”
That is to say, if an agency acts in utter disregard or ignorance of the law, a court reviewing its actions should not be allowed to bring into consideration the very laws that the agency ignored in the first place. That gives error and incompetence priority over the rule of law and the legitimacy of informed judicial opinion. The judge, of course, rejected this line of reasoning as “nonsensical.”
The judge saw no point in sending this back to NIGC. “Indeed, to require the NIGC to provide additional analysis or explanation in support of a determination that the Court has concluded is arbitrary, capricious and contrary to a century’s worth of settled law and agency policy would be the height of futility.”
The judge wasn’t moved by the new rules, either. They came into effect August 25, which is perhaps why he scheduled this order for August 26: to be sure his opinion included them and argued their irrelevance and to forestall another round from the defendants arguing, “Yes, but…”
The defendants, he noted, were aware of these new rules while the case was in progress but chose not to tell the court about them. “Defendants’ absolute silence in this regard appears to suggest a belief that the onus was on the Court to scour the Federal Register on a daily basis to discern whether the DOI, the BIA, the NIGC, or any other federal agency had taken any administrative action that might impact this case. An alternative explanation, of course, is that Defendants simply made what they believed was a sound strategic decision not to disclose this development.”
In a footnote, he observes, “The NIGC is deafeningly silent as to its knowledge of the BIA publication. However, in light of the relationship between the DOI, the BIA, and the NIGC, generally and in this case, it is difficult to imagine that the NIGC was not also aware of the BIA’s progress on and publication of a final rule.”
Since the defendants knew the rule was pending and would come into effect, yet chose not to tell the judge about it, they can’t now use that rule to undo his ruling. “Defendants apparently chose to stay the course and then alter their legal position only if faced with an adverse outcome…Defendants had more than sufficient opportunity to alert the Court to the final rule and request appropriate relief during the pendency of CACGESII. The failure to do so, without explanation, does not warrant post-judgment relief.”
The defendants also argued that a remand would save the court money. “The Court does not agree. Had Defendants requested a stay or remand during the pendency of CACGEC II, that argument may have carried some appeal. Waiting until CACGEC II was decided, however, ensured the maximum expenditure of party and Court resources in the case.”
Maybe we should move on from the orthopedic metaphor to one from politics: “You can’t put enough lipstick on that pig.” No matter how many and how varied the arguments, the defendants’ lawyers couldn’t convince this judge that the NIGC was beyond the law.
Where things are, where they’re going
So the judge gave the plaintiffs some of what they wanted and rejected all of the gambits proposed by the gambling interests’ lawyers. He didn’t refer at all to the several amicus briefs filed by the attorneys for the Seneca Nation of Indians. They were longer than the defendants’ briefs but he decided, apparently, they were peripheral to the issues at hand and he chose not to make them part of his record.
The next move is up to NIGC. It can call the Buffalo casino illegal and shut it down, or it can continue doing nothing. If it does that, the judge can hold it in contempt. Its lawyers—the US Justice Department—will probably appeal both the July 8 and August 26 rulings. The Senecas will continue operating their blue slot machine shed and working on what they hope will be their much larger gambling/hotel/entertainment complex.
The defendants may even hope to drag this on long enough to get the doors of that place opened and all the jobs filled so they can argue, “But how can you put 1,000 or 1,500 or however many good people out of work in a town that has hemorrhaged jobs over the past several decades?” Since they had plenty of forewarning that a shutdown order might be in the works before they plugged in their first slot machine, that probably won’t convince anybody in the Second Circuit in New York City or the Supreme Court, where this sorry, greedy, ill-conceived affair is almost certainly headed.
This is the 48th in a series of articles about attempts to establish gambling operations in northwestern New York that Bruce Jackson has written for Artvoice and other publications since June 2001. From 2006 to July 2007, he was vice president of Citizens for Better Buffalo. He is SUNY Distinguished Professor and Samuel P. Capen Professor of American Culture at UB. With Diane Christian, he directs the weekly Buffalo Film Seminars at the Market Arcade Theater.
Reader Comments
Joe 27 Aug 2008, 20:13
The SGC has something up its sleeve yet. The timing seems a little bogus
to me. First, this ruling came down yesterady... then today the
announcement that building will be stopped due to economic conditions? Economic conditions were worse last month, and worse the month before last, and so on. Didn't stop them then. Gas prices have been falling for the past few weeks. The dollar is actually on the rise. The consumer confidence index has turned around, making gains in the past two months. The bleeding from the housing market has nearly stopped. A new president will be taking office in a few months (and regardless your choice of candidates or politics, "anybody but Bush" is probably going to be a boost for the economy). Signs are starting to point to this thing turning the corner. I'm no economist but if I had the means I'd be investing now and certainly taking in-process projects full steam ahead right now. And its supposedly just a coincidence that they pulled the plug the day after the ruling? We're to believe one didn't have anything to do with the other (or at least, that's how I heard it in a statement not shown here...) It can't be because the SGC is actually afraid of a legal battle or yesterday's ruling... surely they'd fight this tooth and nail to the bitter end. They still haven't closed the existing facility downtown. So why this, why now? I think they're up to something... this drama is far from over...
Frank 28 Aug 2008, 04:33
With gaming profits down around 15-percent in Nevada and 16.5-percent in
Atlantic City as well as many major gaming stocks down 63 to 75-percent of
they’re values from they’re 52 week highs, over 20 casinos throughout
the nation have been forced into delaying remodeling and expansion projects
as well as construction on new casinos because they can not borrow the
money they need for them. With the economy the way it is, the worst thing that our mayor and county executive should be doing is depending on casino revenues to balance they’re budgets. Several top casino executives recently stated that they thought the gaming industry was recession proof. As the data above shows, it isn’t, so why depend on it? Our downtown waterfront is coming along beautifully with over $100 million invested in it. One thing we don’t need is a casino to ruin it. The Senecas (casino people) are pros in trying to convince us that the city would benefit from a Buffalo casino. First they tell us it will create 1,000 jobs, now its 1,500. I guess if you add supplier employees, delivery drivers, temporary employees and management, it might total around 1,000. High paying jobs? A couple of people I know were earning low wages without benefits in Niagara Falls and couldn’t get 25 hours a week. In Atlantic City a poker dealer at Caesars recently received a 12 cents an hour raise. That's cents, not dollars. Now Kathy makes $4.50 per hour, and her take-home pay for her part-time casino job is about $50 per week. She said, "I can't possibly live on $4.50 an hour." She and thousands of other dealers survive on tips, the lifeblood of many jobs in the service-oriented gaming industry. Dealers estimate that two-thirds of their earnings are in tips. Besides low wages, dealers are worried about electronic poker machines that automatically shuffle and deal the cards, which appear on a large video screen in the middle of the table that will be replacing some of them. Gamblers have a small display screen in front of them equipped with touch controls to place their bets, call or fold. Winners are automatically identified after each round. Last year the Seneca casinos grossed around $22.1 million on food, beverages and lodging. If they had been required to charge sales tax as other businesses are required to do, the state would have received around $1.9 million in tax revenues and another $583,772 from retail sales. When you add the fact that no one in their right mind would try to open a business near the casino because they couldn’t compete with it, we will lose millions of dollars annually in sales and property tax revenues. If you haven’t been downtown during the past year or so, take a ride around the Naval Park behind the old Auditorium and you will see why many of us are against a downtown casino ..... and why it would hinder further development of the waterfront. People who go to casinos don’t leave until they are broke and go home afterwards. A casino does not attract tourist, attractions do.
WNYMind 28 Aug 2008, 10:40
I have to congradulate Bruce and the Wendt Foundation. They have engineered
the most hidious stall job of the LAST major economic development project
Buffalo will ever have. They have harassed the Seneca to the point that the
failed US economy has caught up with us all. They have killed any chance of
getting anything positive done in Buffalo. They have promises to continue
to impede efforts to keep the project alive (either by endlessly suing in
court, or bogging down the project with bogus EIS issues). So, Bruce and the Wendt foundation have set Buffalo's fate. They have ripped the heart out of the city and made it a certianty that NO economic development of outside investment will come to Buffalo ever again. They have stuck the final dagger in Buffalo, and now the city is dead. I finally accept what everyone else in Buffalo already knows. The city is dead. It will never recover. It will never accomplish jack squat. There will be no recovery in Buffalo, only pain, suffering, and death. You can now see why. It is due to people like Bruce and the Wendt trustees. So, throw in the towel Buffalo. Hiss and screem at anyone from outside the area who comes with new ideas. Obstruct anything that equals change. Be the evil, petty, dilusional, parochial, closed, frightened, place you are. In the end the Wendt Foundation has also spelled its doom. It is now glaring that they are irrelevant to the poor, and elitist institution that tells the poor, eat cake. The odasity. If you are poor and struggling in Buffalo, find any way possible to move away. If you cannot, then fight the Wendt foundation and demand that 100% of their money goes to direct relief for the poor with every ounce of your energy. This is the straw that broke Buffalo's back. All I can do is congradulate Bruce and the Wendt trustees for destroying Buffalo's future. All I can do is thank them for providing us with a blueprint for how to derail any efforts that Bruce and the Wendt trustees pursue in the future. (i.e. no public money for Darwin Martin House, no public money for museums, the Buffalo Zoo, etc...; the Wendt Foundation is rich and subsidized with tax exemptions, let them pay for their own pet projects, we need the public money for the poor). Thank you Bruce and Wendt trustees, we now have open class warfare in Buffalo, and you elitist are going to lose!!!!
Ray 28 Aug 2008, 12:53
Of course the SNI are going to stop building in a city that does not
appreciate their contribution to progress. And, yes, it is blackmail, they
are within their right to take their ball and go home or over to Niagara
where their accomplishments are welcome and the economic base they have
fertilized is just now bearing fruit...for everyone by the way. Good bye Buffalo, have fun circling the drain.
Lloyd A. Marshall, Jr. 28 Aug 2008, 19:19
If I may interject to issue a new ruling... This judge hereby rules any judgments against the Seneca casino, as issued by the honorable Judge William Skreteny, null and void from henceforth and for perpetuity. This bench also orders Joel Rose and his anti-casino co-horts to pay the Seneca Nation and its co-defendants for legal fees incurred for their defense in this matter. Furthermore, this bench rules that Rose et. al. are prohibited from bringing further suit against same casino. It is so ordered.
Luis Clay 29 Aug 2008, 05:33
Ray, above you say, "the economic base they have fertilized is just now
bearing fruit... for everyone by the way." Got any examples you can share? Love to hear about them. We've got lots of fruits here on the faartvoice blogs, Lloyd A. Marshall, Jr. is superfruity and WNYMind with a capital m is a real fruit, reads the times and blows their wny minds as far as I can tell. But if there are benefits to the casino being in Niagara Falls then please do share. What this all proves is that tax-free business do much better than businesses that have to pay taxes. Wouldn't it be great if ALL businesses could just ignore taxes and pay out of the kindness of their hearts once the bookkeeping was done? Bring it on I say. Of course Niagara Falls IS a tourist trap. Where would the money come from for the BCC (not to be be confused by the CBB!) Cheers! Luis Clay
Lloyd A. Marshall, Jr. 29 Aug 2008, 06:27
Yes, Luis, I know you're extra-fruity. What about me?
avwrobel 29 Aug 2008, 10:54
The tremendous benefit of the comments section is it gives such a wide
range of views. I cannot fathom why anyone would think a gambling joint
that pays no taxes, produces nothing of value and in fact is harmful to the
surrounding community would be a good thing for the community of Buffalo.
Yet there are obviously people who sincerely believe in such an enterprise.
A lack of a master plan for the city is a huge reason, I believe, for
some of the urge to grab at whatever looks good on the surface. Sound
economic development is a challenge that must be met with persistence over
time, in all sectors of the economy. Keep up the fight against the casino!
Buy back that land and develop a worthwhile business there.
John 29 Aug 2008, 11:35
A big thank you to the CACGEC and the Wendt Foundation! Aside from some a
vocal minority of small minded people, who probably do not live in the
city, the citizens of Buffalo are grateful for your hard work and tenacity.
Enjoy your victory.
Lloyd A. Marshall, Jr. 29 Aug 2008, 21:47
John says, "A big thank you to the CACGEC and the Wendt Foundation!" Yeah... thanks for keeping Buffalo and Western NY barren. A big Bronx cheer to Joel Rose and the rest of his fellow tin-horned megalomaniacs! THHHBBBBBBTTTTTHHHHH!!!! What the heck, let's pose the question again... Joel Rose: which is he... A: serf seeking a tyrant to lord over him, -or- B: self-righteous megalomaniac seeking to lord over us? Pick one.
WNYMind 30 Aug 2008, 15:21
I also want to thank the Wendt Foundation for all the money it has pumped
into the Martin House (which one of their trustees is the president of the
board for - no conflict of interest there). Now that the Martin House is
repaired, it will make a nice drug rehab center for uninsured people to
live at. Also, during the next winter, the Homeless should squat there and
enjoy being out of the cold. I also want to thank the Wendt Foundation for building 1/2 the elephant house at the Zoo. Since the Wendt trustees have loads of cash for their pet projects, the county should fee free to cut all public funding of the zoo and divert the funds to summer programs for kids. BTW: what is the minority hiring situation at the Martin House and the Zoo. The last time I checked, is was about zero. Thanks again for caring Wendt people.
Seneca 02 Sep 2008, 09:09
avwrobel, Why bother buying it back. Just steal it again.
Rocco Russo 02 Sep 2008, 14:37
I'm still not sure where it says anywhere that the Wendt Foundation is
solely responsible for helping only the poor. The Martin House complex is
an architectural treasure, and we should be grateful that any organization,
tax-exempt or not, helped in ensuring it didn't go the way of the Larkin
building. Now, I am no preservationist. I feel some things are worth
saving, but too often we hold on to the past and don't move forward. The
casino is neither. It is a grab at anything for the sake of progress.
It's no secret that politics in WNY are a joke and a major reason for this
area being 20 years behind. But just because someone is willing to develop
something in Buffalo doesn't give it a free pass as a good idea. This is
one instance where being patient is the prudent decision. The city will be
fine. It is a shame that some people have felt the need to swiftboat other
parties and try to spin the discussion away from what is good for the city
of Buffalo and the WNY region. I am not surprised that not a single
proponent of the casino has presented a logical and fact-supported argument
as to why a casino is a good idea. You have all failed to realize that
this is not an issue against gambling. It is about having gambling in our
city. I have come to one conclusion since reading and commenting here and on Buffalo Pundit: It is a pointless argument to try to reason with some people once set in their ways. I can only thank the people involved and the resources provided them to ensure for the good of our community that the right thing was done. We will be a better community for it. A community that includes our brother, sisters, and neighbors in the Seneca Nation. I sincerelly mean that. My fight is not with your prosperity. I hope you can come to understand why many of us are opposed to a Buffalo casino. P.S. - I also didn't realize skin color had any bearing on a person's qualifications for employment. Affirmative action - the biggest example of racism I can think of. I wouldn't want a job just because of my skin color. It's long past due that as a society we get over past transgressions and move foward together.
casino's are fun 02 Sep 2008, 16:15
Gambling is fun at a casino than at bingo or a scratch off, or quick draw,
which all happens in the city of Buffalo. I will expect the CBB go forth
and remove these from within the wonderful world of Buffalo as well. If
not then it WOULD be obvious that they are just against Indian Gaming. If any opponant to the casino can explain in simple terms to me and the rest who want to know why the CBB and their allies are only against the casino (Indian Gaming) and not other forms of gambling please do so, without the sarcasm.
WNYMind 02 Sep 2008, 23:21
The Wendt Foundation doesn't do jack for the poor. Their philosophy is "let
them eat cake at the Martin House." If one person freezes on the street
this winter because they have no place warm to sleep, then the Wendt
Foundation and the Wendt trustees are guilty of neglect. Open the Martin
House for the poor too sleep in. If it's such a great place, then people
should be allowed to live there. It could also be a good location for a
needle exchange for drug dependent people.
Rocco Russo 03 Sep 2008, 11:54
@casino's are fun: I won't disagree that casinos are an enjoyable
entertainment option. The difference in the effort to keep one illegal
casino out of our city isn't quite the same as attempting to shut down
every Lotto retailer or church bingo hall in the city. Do you see the
casino opponents attempting to shut down Seneca Niagara or Seneca
Allegheny? No. So why some of you keep insisting that us opponents are
anti-Indian gaming is beyond me. I suppose I'm just not as smart or witty
as WNYMind to follow along and drink your Kool-Aid. If you want to argue/discuss why some of us are against a foreign nation being allowed to operate a predatory and tax-free business within our city, by all means I'm game. @WNYMind: You, Buffalo Pundit, Lloyd, etc. are the ones with this grudge against the Wendt Foundation. No one has yet answered one of my questions: What if I were a private citizen, a billionaire, and were financially able to fund the legal battle against the illegal Buffalo casino? Your opinions of what causes the Wendt Foundation should champion aside, you have yet to make one reasonable point as to why a casino in the city of Buffalo is a good idea, how the pros outweigh the cons. You continue to change the subject and spin the focus to the Wendt Foundation and the funding issues of the law suit. You may be right there. I don't know. And I don't care. Again, explain to me where it says the Wendt Foundation's sole responsibility is to help the homeless and drug addicts. Are they the only organization in this city able to help those less fortunate? Has it not occured to you how many more homeless people we could possibly have as a result of a casino? I know, all those studies don't apply to Buffalo. The problems that have resulted from casinos in other cities won't happen here. Because we have the great Seneca Nation to support our community. I'm sure they have altruistic motives, aside from financial ones. If you're so concerned about the poor, homeless, and drug addicts, may I suggest you open your home for them to sleep in. Or get involved and volunteer at a shelter or soup kitchen.
casino's are fun 03 Sep 2008, 14:23
Rocco in an above statement you said it was about gambling in our city.
Therefore I know it is about gambling in general. Gambling that includes
the lotto, bingo and so forth. Your right, I guess the anti's would be
going after the ones in NF and Alleg. too, but I guess that may be just a
matter of time as well. In this world there are going to be people who do stuff you won't like. And as for that, I myself, simply don't involve myself with their "festivies". I think you and the other few should do the same and not spoil the fun of the majority who want to gamble nearby. It's everyones city.
Rocco Russo 03 Sep 2008, 14:51
@casino's: I stand corrected. Instead of saying gambling, I should say
casino gaming. I fully understand that people will do things I don't like. I'm not here to persuade anyone that they shouldn't gamble. I myself will gamble on occasion. I've played the lotto, I've gone to casinos. What the proponents don't see is how damaging a casino is. It does much more than provide just another option to gamble. Token gestures of kickbacks to the state, county, and city are drops in the bucket compared to the economic loss our community will suffer. Again, just because there are existing gambling opportunites doesn't make it right to continue to add to the problem. Not once has anyone metioned the Seneca's intentions to help offset the inherent problems that come with a casino. I do know that money from the NYS Lotto goes towards education. How many millions will the Senecas give from their profits to fund NYS education? Money from church bingo helps support the church, does it not? How much money do the Senecas plan to donate to local and regional causes? Token amounts to placate the critics? I don't know that's why I'm asking. I'm not aware of any master plan the Senecas have to better our community. I've asked for examples of how Niagara Falls, USA, is better since Seneca Niagara opened. I don't live there I don't visit there I don't know that's why I'm asking. It's a bad idea to put a casino in downtown period. It's not neccessarily a bad idea to allow Lotto and bingo. It's sure not feasible to take on NYS to shut down the Lotto. Would you like the Wendt Foundation to spend their money on pressuring local businesses and churches to cease selling Lotto and holding bingo? Maybe some more good causes can go unfunded, and your allies claim, fighting these battles. I don't have the money to wage that legal war, do you? When one of you proponents gets a grip on reality, I'm all ears for a real discussion of this issue. Till then, enjoy your delusions.
Lloyd A. Marshall, Jr. 04 Sep 2008, 06:26
"When one of you proponents gets a grip on reality, I'm all ears for a real
discussion of this issue. Till then, enjoy your delusions." The above really would be aimed at the casino OPPONENTS.
casino's are fun 04 Sep 2008, 14:47
I just think that the Seneca nation having 7600+ members with alot of the
profits going towards thier members is a good cause. With the money the
Nation is building a school. A school to send all the Native kids to and
the government does not have to any longer pay $140 per Native child per
day to each school they attend. Isn't that a savings their? Yeah, well,
it isn't helping your child but it is helping a minority child. The money
earned aslo is going toward housing for Seneca's and their families so
single mothers don't have to depend on welfare anymore and have a stable
home for their children. I know, it isn't helping you and your child. The
money is going towards a huge sports complex so the kids and adults can be
active and have a place to hang out instead of the streets. All in all, the revenue does go towards the good of a community, just not your community. The compact NYS made with the Indians was to be in Buffalo. How that decision was made IDK, but the Seneca's wanted it in Cheektavegas to begin with, remember.
Rocco Russo 04 Sep 2008, 15:11
Ok, so without a Buffalo casino, the Seneca Nation won't be able to afford
to build a new school, or more housing, or a sports complex? The hundreds
of millions generated by the other two casinos is only allowing you to
scrape by? I'm not trying to deny the Seneca Nation a livelihood. Just not at the expense of our city. And especially not held hostage by a foreign nation who doesn't pay taxes. I'M SORRY YOUR LAND WAS TAKEN GET OVER IT. Here's an idea: Don't get pregnant or go get a job. Get off welfare. How much longer do minorities keep getting handouts for? So I'm supposed to support the funnelling of local money from "our" community to "yours"? I'm supposed to be ok with subsidizing a foreign nation? So much for being good neighbors. WHEN YOU DECIDE YOU ASSIMILATE AND BE A HELPFUL PART OF OUR SOCIETY, GREAT. Until then, get your casinos out of my country please.
casino's are fun 04 Sep 2008, 17:02
I have a job. I have two kids. I am not on any sort of welfare. I
priority are my children. I don't care about your children. You stole my
land and I will NEVER GET OVER it. Read a book about Treaties. AS LONG AS
THE GRASS GROWS, THE RIVERS FLOWS, AND THE SUN SHINES.... Buffalo CREEK is SENECA NATION TERRITORY. YOU DEAL WITH IT, JERK.
casino's are fun 04 Sep 2008, 23:49
ROcco< What do you think you do when you buy gas? Your supporting
another nation. You better quit buying gasoline and quit "subsidizing the
foreign Saudi's. By the way, your precious dying city was built around the Seneca's. My spouse is a veteran of the US Military. What have you done for your country?
Rocco Russo
05 Sep 2008, 08:27
Ignorance is bliss I guess. If we're talking about treaties, let's talk
about the SNGA, and how your tribe is not honoring what was agreed upon.
And you're correct. Buffalo Creek is Seneca Nation territory. Just not
territory where class III gaming is allowed, according to the agreements
your tribe signed. As for gas: I don't buy gas from oil companies who import from the Middle East. The information of where companies get ther oil from is readily available. I'll have to brush up on my history, I wasn't aware that Buffalo became more than an outpost because of the Senecas. I thought it was when Buffalo was selected as the Western terminus of the Erie Canal instead of Black Rock. And the only way to do something for your country is by serving in the military? Over my dead body will I volunteer to go fight our fearless president's personal war. I'm not that stupid. Leave a Comment:
|
|
Issue Navigation> Issue Index > v7n35: 100 Things I Tried To Do This Summer (8/28/08) > Stop Stalling, Says The Judge This Week's Issue • Artvoice Daily • Events Calendar • Classifieds |
Artvoice Blog Headlines
Who Goes Where When Hillary Goes to State?posted November 19, 12:04 pm on Artvoice DailyCity Hall News has flow_chart that tracks who might replace who, from Hillary’s Senate seat on down (click to expand or follow the link—it’s an awkward shape): |
It’s Robert Rich Sr. All High Stadiumposted November 14, 5:05 pm on Artvoice DailyThese new signs properly label the structure. We’ve been reading recent stories in the Buffalo News about sportswriter Tom Borrelli’s terrible fall last week at the old All High Stadium. He’s currently battling life-threatening injuries... (more) |
CWM Fined for Violationsposted November 14, 2:41 pm on Artvoice DailyThis week Chemical Waste Management was fined $175,000 by the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation for violating its permits and the state’s hazardous waste laws. I don’t have much to say about that, except it doesn’t seem to me like too much money... (more) |
Musical Chairsposted November 14, 12:51 pm on Artvoice DailyThe AP reports that Hillary Clinton met with Barack Obama in Chicago yesterday, adding fuel to speculation that she might be Obama’s choice for secretary of state. If that happens, it has long been rumored that Brian Higgins would be appointed to her Senate seat... (more) |
Paint the Townposted November 14, 11:06 am on Artvoice DailyLate last night, at the tail end of one of the few weeks in the past year in which we did not publish anything snarky about anybody, someone threw two gallons of paint on our front doors. Seems a waste; we hadn’t even earned it. Nonetheless, we were cleaning up all morning... (more) |
Old Editions Book Shopposted November 13, 1:58 pm on Artvoice DailyAV videographer Matt Quinn tours Old Editions, an often overlooked treasure at the corner of Oak and Huron Streets downtown: show enclosure (video/x-flv; 21.29 MB) |
This Is Not Today’s Newsposted November 12, 9:37 am on Artvoice DailyBut it would be nice if it were. Via the Data Stream, by way of Jon Winet. |
This Just In…posted November 11, 3:28 pm on Artvoice DailyAlways in the vanguard, researchers of the University at Buffalo’s Center of Human Capital have reached a bold conclusion, according to a statement disseminated this afternoon: Although no official determination has been made about whether New York State or the U... (more) |
Silver Lining: Edwards Remains a Good Guyposted November 11, 11:17 am on Artvoice DailyMarshawn Lynch Amid the anguished finger-pointing, plaintive wailing and resigned head-shaking sweeping the region following the Buffalo Bills’ third straight defeat, Season Ticket would like to apportion a minute sliver of credit. Quarterback Trent Edwards, by most quantitative and qualitative standards, failed miserably at New England on Sunday (not coincidentally, this was also his third consecutive regressive outing)... (more) |
Mazzariello’s Ristorante & Martini Barposted November 7, 4:30 pm on Chew on ThisPhoto taken by Rose Mattrey From Antipasti to Primi to Secondi, Mazzariello’s (114 Bloomfield Ave, Lancaster, 206.0561) has conquered the map of Italian cooking. Your palate will be exposed to an array of spices, herbs, and ingredients indigenous to Northern & Southern Italy... (more) |
Post Election Bits & Bytesposted November 7, 12:02 am on Tech VoiceElection ‘08 is now in the history books - so I figured it’s time to take a look backward, and a look forward at some relevant headlines. Hacking Democracy First, we’ll take a look at one of the best kept secrets of the campaign season, from both sides, care of a Newsweek article published just today... (more) |
BNMC Open Meeting Tonightposted November 6, 1:19 pm on Artvoice DailyTonight at 6pm in the auditorium of the downtown library, everyone is invited to attend a public hearing on the Buffalo-Niagara Medical Campus—North End Projects. Among the projects planned are a 300,000 square foot Medical Office Building to be owned and operated by Ciminelli Development Company, Inc... (more) |
That Pigeon Won’t Flyposted November 6, 10:05 am on Artvoice DailySteve Pigeon Here’s another example, this one two years old, of the way Steve Pigeon’s political committees are alleged to steer money to candidates illegally. On September 15, 2006, the Pigeon-controlled PAC Citizens for Fiscal Integrity paid “RUR Strategy Group” $9,000 in consulting fees, according to CFI’s campaign finance disclosure forms... (more) |
SeaBar’s Social Calendarposted November 5, 12:44 pm on Chew on ThisSeaBar will host live jazz and sushi nights starting Friday, November 21st at 8 p.m. (5235 Main Street, Wmsvl, 204.5283). A Cave Springs Riesling Tasting Event will take place at SeaBar’s suburban location on Wednesday, November 9th at 7 p.m... (more) |
Artvoice TV: Latest Additions » more on AVTV
Dr. Riyaz Hassanali: The effect Smoking has on your Skinposted November 21, 4:50 pm on channel Local Interest
|
Twilightposted November 19, 1:09 pm on channel Movie Trailers
|
The Boy in the Striped Pajamasposted November 19, 1:06 pm on channel Movie Trailers
|
Avi Takes Artvoice Shopping for the holidays @ Lexington food Co-opposted November 19, 11:52 am on channel Food
|
TRAIN DAY! @ the Buffalo Historical Societyposted November 17, 3:07 pm on channel Local Interest
|
Mass Appeal: Elmwood Fashion Eventposted November 15, 10:19 pm on channel Events
|
Buffalo Contemporay Danceposted November 15, 6:43 pm on channel Events
|
Old Editions Book Shopposted November 13, 11:42 am on channel Local Interest
|
Off Stage: Conversations with Anthony Chaseposted November 12, 4:50 pm on channel Theater
|
Happy Go Luckyposted November 12, 2:08 pm on channel Movie Trailers
|
Quantum of Solaceposted November 12, 2:01 pm on channel Movie Trailers
|
Flash Party at Essex St.posted November 9, 10:59 am on channel Events
|
Lakeview Effect at Nietzsche'sposted November 8, 4:54 pm on channel Music
|
Flatbed at Allen St. Hardwareposted November 8, 2:28 pm on channel Music
|
Obama's Nightposted November 6, 3:13 pm on channel Politics
|







Subscribe