Rosalie Bertell has no knowledge of this site and I doubt that Sherman does either. Your news rag has been a leading source of deliberate misinformation so why should your readers believe you now?

Is the plutonium in the water fiction too Roger? How's the air over there in Denial, New York?

AdamforNY: Ummm...he doesn't live in NY. The comment comes out of California (at 3:45a.m.).

Didn't his (Helbig's) brother work for that "other rag," the Niagara Gazette? He was let go a few months after that unfortunate happening with a young lady co-worker.

See the following: www.niagarafallsreporter.com/cover4.1.08.html and www.niagarafallsreporter.com/cover1.27.09.html and www.niagarafallsreporter.com/cover7.22.08.html and www.niagarafallsreporter.com/column402.html etcetera.

Considering that he lives in the San Franscisco Bay area (three hour time difference) and that this article was only online for a matter of hours here in Buffalo, it's wondered just whose name is being 'Google Alerted' for him to be making these sorts of comment so quickly?

Monitoring for the opportunity to 'slam?' That's unfortunate too.

Oh, and as an FYI: Dr.s Rosalie Bertell AND Janette Sherman are originally from the Buffalo-Niagara area and have both made extensive study and comment of the area in recent years -- post site visits.

The above comment would be much more credible if He(lbig) wasn't a 'retired military hawk' (Air Force) for the Pentagon and making these sorts of comments around the country and world.

Put the bourbon bottle away and get some sleep!

"For additional information regarding the former Lake Ontario Ordnance Works Site and the Niagara Falls Storage Site, please visit the US Army Corps of Engineers, Buffalo District's website at: http://www.lrb.usace.army.mil/derpfuds/loow-nfss/index.htm.

Please read our Beyond the Headlines article dated July 19, 2009, for additional information about the Niagara Falls Storage Site's Interim Waste Containment Structure."

Dear Bruce Sanders of the US Army Corps of Engineers:

Why not just come out and say what it is that you disagree with in their articles? Since you have the "company time" to make these comments, why not engage in legitimate debate or discussion with them to address these SERIOUS issues for OUR communities?

A public relations campaign is all fine and good but it's pretty clear that you and others are interested in confining and or limiting the scope of these conversations by your very presence on this and other web commentary sites.

geoff/lou: great stuff....thanks for continuing to keep us informed and keeping lines of communication of information alive; nobody covers this stuff like you guys and we're all better for it!

Methinks they doth protest too much ....

Roger you seem do be a crafty little bugger, using the old google machine naghty boy. You know without knowing you I can decive a picture of a airforce officer standing at the o club bar delvishing in the act of drinking with your shirt pulled out and cigars going talking about politics. But maybe instead of trying to cause trouble why dont you tell us on this "RAG" of a forum JUST WHAT THE @#%$ IS DILIBERATE MISINFORMATION or not maybe you dont really know what happened here and your just a PITA. Sorry if I offended anybody else, oh BTW Roger I decided not to cap some of the stuff related to yourself I did not think you rated it. Doc. Do-Mai-Niheu Roger Roger

I am a UB graduate with a Geology degree. Bertell has made numerous false and misleading accusations in her recent years; perhaps her earlier Buffalo research was sound, but the combination of Bertell and Sherman has popped up together in other postings that have no sound scientific basis. I am retired from the Air Force reserve - I was commissioned 40 years ago through the UB Air Force ROTC program that was burned out the following spring after Kent State and left the campus a couple of years after that. I got interested in the many liars in the anti-nuclear/anti-depleted uranium crusade when I met a couple of them on the net and found out that they lied about who they are and what they know. These supposed leaders of the anti-DU crusade led me to Bertell who I found did not know that the 30mm kinetic energy penetrator round fired by the A-10 that is the most common form of DU littering the desert after 1991's Desert Storm and the run into Baghdad in 2003 is completely shrouded in aluminum. Since then, she has decided to take on the University of Alaska research program HAARP and has indicated that she believes in ChemTrails, another myth that ranks up there with the false claims that President Obama was born in Kenya. As a result, I would not take any recent statement by Bertell as being the result of any sound scientific research or detailed study, but rather as nothing more than a rambling by someone who can not let go of her former place in the limelight. I have been researching DU for over four years. I am not paid to do so and I basically consider it a deadly serious hobby. It is deadly serious because if it has not already done so, it is going to get somebody, perhaps thousands to millions, killed because of lies and liars. To me, that is serious business. Anyone who wants to write me and discuss these things and who I am with me personally is free to do so. I don't hide and I sign with my own name, not some phonie one because I am afraid to stand behind what I say. If I make a mistake, I have the courage to admit it as well. Far as Google Alerts - they are fairly quick sometimes - I have one on Rosalie Bertell and it made me aware of this posting. Art Voice has made other anti-nuclear statements without merit such as the one about a spherical structure that they claim is a prototype Manhattan Project nuclear reactor. They probably also believe Douglas Lind Rokke and Leuren K Moret and their false claim about the "1943 Memo to Groves", a forged document that is heavily used by Moret and Rokke. The odd thing is that this forgery has absolutely nothing to do with uranium or depleted uranium, but they wave it around and people "believe". Having been educated as a scientist, I don't believe; I test and verify. Perhaps you other readers should do that as well. Since I have mentioned Rokke and Moret and the Memo to Groves, these all come together in their first video "Beyond Treason". Those of you readers who are Jewish might like to be aware of the Neo Nazi connection to this video - go to American Free Press/The Barnes Review convention http://www.chairmanofnordwave.blogspot.com look for David Von Kleist introducing Doug Rokke, Holocaust Deniers, Hitler Admirers and two Rabbis who are then gleefully humiliated by the audience.

I see someone calling me a Pentagon Hawk - I love it when people claim I am from the Pentagon. I was in the Pentagon once, during the summer of 1978, I was a tourist one afternoon. I retired from the reserve in 1994. I became increasingly involved in opposing the lies and liars of the anti-depleted uranium crusade during the 2004 Presidential campaign - my primary emphasis was trying to elect John Kerry President of the United States, just like I had tried to elect Al Gore President of the United States in 2000. I knew what nuclear fallout was and I knew that DU was not fallout. Anyone else can get the same information that I have gotten. I know how to use the Freedom of Information Act and I know enough to know that I don't know much and that I need to ask the advice of genuine experts. I have no political axe to grind and I hate lies and liars with a passion.

BUT the above article has absolutely NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with DU.
Shooting the messengers are we?

Regardless of the bickering comments, there is still a serious issue with contamination in the Niagara Falls, NY area. I have been following Lou's research for a long time and while I am no green crusader, there is no doubt whatsoever in my mind that the gubbermint has spent decades covering up contamination in this area. Between big corporate exploitation and government malfeasance, the Niagara Falls, NY area has become a huge contaminated leech field over the past century and a half. Sure it's cleaner today than it was 50 years ago, but that doesn't mean it is clean. All it takes is a days walk through Niagara Falls, Ontario and Niagara Falls, NY to see how corrupt and incompetent virtually all levels of government that have controlled Niagara Falls, NY have been.

Niagara Falls, NY should be the crowning jewel of Western New York, but it has become a blight upon the landscape (despite all the well intentioned efforts of a caring minority) over the past several decades. I have hope for the future, but until we see a substantial reduction in government incompetence, apathy and corruption I don't think much will change.

Henry

One subject at a time.

What about that brother of his? And the bottle of bourbon at 2:30 a.m. PST?

8/9/2009


To All:

Bltantly federal and state agencies have failed to acknowledge and include the Town of Tonawanda's Landfill site as a major contributor to the environmental health/cancer tragedy facing our community still today.

The Tonawanda Landfill is a Town of Tonawanda owned 55 acre dump site that lies alongside City of Tonawanda's Hackett St., a large populated residential area and is embraced with a multitude of isotopes as reported and surveyed by the DOE in September of 1991.

At least 65 Hackett St. residents and 250 plus children attending Riverview elementary are literally living alongside a nuclear nightmare with no end in sight.

Because of Corps of Engineers reported high gamma count, walking from your back door to your backyard swing is a point of contention.

Please see below Tonawanda News Landfill/Miner April 26, 2007, "Corps of Engineers recreational use seven hours per week over six years for a youth & additional guidelines"

Dept. of Health Albany officials have continually refused to investigate Tonawanda Landfill health issues related to possible radiation exposure as should be required by New York State mandate and regulation.

For well over a year during Town of Tonawanda remediation DEC engineers monitored airborne readings near Brookside Terrace ( Brookside Terrace / abuts Hackett St.) for known carcinogens with no mention of radionuclide CPM disintegration ratios.

Why is that so DEC?

Sadly government/media have for perplexing unexplained reasons failed to properly inform our community of Tonawanda's nuclear dilemma.

Kind regards
Philip F. Sweet
Toxic in Tonawanda
Gbfa/mpfa
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Published: April 26, 2007 11:17 am

LANDFILL: Residents unanimous: clean it up
By Dan Miner/minerd@gnnewspaper.com
The Tonawanda News


Tonawanda resident Diane Eshelman speaks out during a public forum at the Tonawanda High School
on the Tonawanda Landfill. Dan Cappellazzo/The Tonawanda News (Click for larger image)

AT RISK?
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The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers assessed radioactive materials in the
Town of Tonawanda landfill according to the following guidelines:

Recreational use of landfill and mudflats:

• Two hours per week over 30 years for an adult

• Seven hours per week over six years for a youth

Construction worker use landfill and mudflats:

• 40 hours per week over one year

Industrial redevelopment of mudflats
• 40 hours per week over 6.6 years

Residential redevelopment of mudflats

• 18 hours per day over 30 years for an adult

• 24 hours per day over six years for a youth

All risks were found to fall below the National Contingency Plan
guidelines accepted by the Environmental Protection Agency.

A public meeting attended by about 100 people Wednesday concerning the Town of Tonawanda landfill typified how complex and emotional the issue has become.

The meeting, hosted by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers to collect public comments on their proposed plan, featured a number of familiar public officials and some new faces. They urged full removal of radioactive materials at the landfill, and most expressed their dissatisfaction with the Army Corps’ handling of the issue.

“No self-respecting scientist would ever sign off on a plan of total inaction when the Riverview section is reporting 26 residents out of 35 — that’s 77 percent — with cancer,” said Corina Berman, a Buffalo resident. “Regardless of what your studies say, you should feel compelled to conduct more thorough, more intuitive testing. You’re humans, not machines.”

The meeting began with Lt. John Hurley, Army Corps Buffalo District Commander, giving a short presentation, before making way for landfill Project Manager Steve Buechi to explain the proposed plan.

The plan was issued March 26, and recommended no action on the radioactive materials, which have found to fall within Environmental Protection Agency guidelines. The plan also kicked off a public comment period which will end June 26, after which a final record of decision will be rendered on the landfill.

Hurley stood and listened attentively to all of the comments, most of which received applause. Meanwhile, residents of Hackett Drive and nearby streets peppered him and other Army Corps personnel with anecdotes of family members with cancer and personal witnessing of illegal dumping.

Many expressed the wish for further testing, but Army Corps Public Affairs Officer Bruce Sanders said the Army Corps does not do that.

“We’re an engineering organization,” he said. “We have no authority at all, whatsoever, on that issue.”

City of Tonawanda School District Barbara Peters explained to Army Corps workers her concerns with Riverview Elementary School students.

The school is right next to the landfill, and a playground is directly adjacent to the property, she said. Considering the landfill risk assessment — one of which says it’s safe for two hours a week — Peters said she is worried.

“(The students) don’t understand when we say stay away from something,” she said. “I think anything less than full remediation is foolhardy.”

Residents also expressed fear that their sump pumps would pick up contaminated runoff from the landfill.

After the Army Corps, public officials took their turn. Rick Davis, City of Tonawanda Common Councilman and co-chair of the grassroots organization Clean Up Riverview’s Environment, blasted the proposed plan, calling Army Corps’ risk level assessments “immoral and criminal.” Davis was followed by County Legislator Michele Iannello, D-Kenmore, who urged the Corps to retest along the fenceline of properties along Hackett Drive.

Mayor Ron Pilozzi followed Iannello, saying the city’s engineering department will submit comments on the proposed plan and reminding the crowd that he’s advocated full removal since March 2006. Town of Tonawanda Supervisor Ron Moline then took the microphone, saying he’s concerned about the health of nearby residents and supporting further testing on their properties. City Common Council President Carleton Zeisz followed Moline, stating his disappointment at the millions of dollars spent on other FUSRAP project farther away from residential areas.

“We have one that’s adjacent, and it’s just going to sit there?” He asked.

Paul Krantz from the Erie County Department of Environment and Planning read a statement from the department’s commissioner, Andrew Eszak, which contained a request for more time before to comment on the proposed plan.

School Board Member Joyce Hogenkamp went after Krantz, calling the proposed plan appalling and saying it disgusted her.

Contact reporter Dan Miner at 693-1000, Ext. 115

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How timely? A 28 month old article about ... a different location?
Are these intentional distractions on this page?

Insults, Ad Hominem, Sophism and change of subject seems a lot like a purposefully intended tactic to limit, suppress and discourage any meaningful discussion. Textbook stuff. Looks like the Gubbermentdotmildotgov IS at it again.

Roger sorry if I pissed you off but I do have to say and I will say this time and time again I have taken the walk around here with very updated equipment there is a problem at the west end of Niagara County. If your a Geologist then what do you think about the rock found by SAIC during their background Gamma Survey at the Lew-Port School Campus. Doc

August 11, 2009


Dear Artvoice,

Hopefully your newspaper will deem it permissable to also include Tonawanda Landfill, Linde Praxair communities as recipients of the Manhattan Projects far reaching health/ cancer consequences and publish this fact in future articles.

New York State Dept. of Health Wadsworth Center I believe has very dedicated research scientists who should forthright be utilized so as to enhance public health and already funded taxpayer dollars.

Please see below further info. Outreach/Biomonitoring

Kind regards
Philip F. Sweet
Toxic in Tonawanda
gardona12.1@verizon.net
Gbfa/mpfa
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From: Tonawanda News Community Forum

Posted June 17, 2009 13:18 June 17, 2009 13:18 Hide Post
Forum Posting June 17, 2009

Call For Tonawanda Community Outreach/Biomonitoring

Hello all:

Being a past member of Lew/Port's Residents For Responsible Government health committee my mentor and former Lewiston councilman Mr.Bill Choboy submitted to our group the below ground breaking Sep 1st, 2002, $5,000,000 proposal/grant from The NYS Dept. of health in alliance and accordance with CDC.

This overwhelming elation received document presented to us meant that there was finally a way to laboratory human bio-monitor our communities residents in a non-invasive way and could enhance many lives while at the same time importantly putting caring minds at ease.( Please see below scanned NYS Health, Mr. Choboy letter)

Sadly and perplexing was that NYS Health's proposal approach request offer to Mr.Choboy and residents of Lewiston never materialized and was placed in the dustbin of history.

Still today NYS Health actively promotes a biomonitoring program. (Please see below June 2009 scanned web /site document)

At present Erie County has a successful legislated important heavy metal lead biomonitoring system program in place for it"s school children.

Why does not Erie County include chemicals and other heavy metals? Why only lead?

Listen up Erie County Legislature!

It is way past time for NYS Health to follow through on their original outreach Lewiston proposal.

It is now time to include Tonawanda as a viable community for biomonitoring consideration.

Today NYS taxpayers are funding/under/utilizing The NYS Albany/Wadsworth already established biomonitoring program

It is time to make use of our tax dollars and bring much needed help to Tonawanda

I am hoping to gain additional public support for Tonawanda biomonitoring.

Essential to this programs success are non invasive testing procedure and enactment of public non/disclosure privacy rights performed on a voluntary base of action.

Comments greatly appreciated

Kind regards
Philip F. Sweet
Gbfa/mpfa
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STATE OF NEW YORK
DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH
Wadsworth Center The Governor Nelson A.Rockefeller Empire State Plaza P.O. Box 509 Albany. New Yont 12201-0509

Anlonia C, Novello. M.D.. M.P.H, Dr. P,H. Dennis P, Whalen
Commissioner Deputy

September 3. 2002
Bill Choboy
Residents for a Responsible Govemment
P.O Box 44 Lcwision, NY 14092

Dear Mr, Choboy,

You have been recommended to us by Mr, Joe Novak of the Citizens' Environmental Coalition to participate in the development of a pilot-scale human biomonitoring program. New York State - through its public-health laboratory, Wadsworth Center, and its Center for Environmental Health (CEH) - is currently funded by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) to plan such a program. Over the next 15 months, we intend to (1) identify a number of environmental exposure problems and knowledge gaps that could be better understood or addressed through biomonitoring (2) identify collaborators who have an interest in participating in an investigation of a problem or knowledge gap (3) plan a program of a limited number of such collaborative investigations and (4) secure funding to begin program implementation,

As you know, biomonitoring involves the laboratory measurement of contaminants or biological markers of contaminant exposure in human body fluids and tissues. The application of this relatively new and powerful approach to assessing human exposure has resulted in significant impacts on public health policy and intervention strategies for environmental contaminants such as lead, tobacco smoke, and pesticides. Recent advances in analytical chemistry and toxicology make it possible to discern a great many more biological markers of exposure, and at lower levels of exposure than ever before.

Wadsworth Center, CEH. and CDC have a strong" interest in fostering participation of organizations and individuals representing a variety of backgrounds and perspectives in developing a coordinated multifaceted biomonitoring strategy. Toward this goal, we are soliciting advice from, and active partnerships with, environmental health and epidemiology professionals from academia, government, public interest groups, and industry. The guidance we receive will help shape New York Stale's biomonitoring program. We intend this program to be implemented over thc coming years, with several sources of funding, including, in particular, a five-year $5 million dollar grant from CDC for which wc will apply in 2003.

Although there are no strict guidelines, our biomonitoring program could incorporate some of the following investigative direclions:

• Epidemiologtcal studies of vulnerable (e.g.. children} or potentially highly exposed populations

• Characterization of "baseline" or "background" exposure levels, to provide a foundation for interpretation of the results of future biomonitoring efforts

• Evaluations of trends in biomonitoring measurements over time, such as those that might indicate the effectiveness of exposure mitigation programs

• Improved characterization of relationships between environmental contamination levels, exposure and/or health outcome incidence to facilitate future risk management decisions

With your input, we intend to identify a number of Specific stand-alone or interrelated projects of varying scale that fall into one or more of the above categories Projects identified and characterized during this initial phase of plan development will be evaluated, prioritized and possibly expanded upon With guidance from a committee of epidemiologists, analytical chemists, toxicologists and environmental scientists from New York State's Wadsworth Center and Center for Environmental Health. The most promising projects in terms of potential public health benefit, collaborative involvement and feasibility will become part of our state biomonitoring plan.

We have enclosed a questionnaire to provide you with a means to share your views on important local or stale-wide exposure problems, or significant gaps in knowledge of the relationships between environmental contamination, exposure, and health effects, and potential benefits of biomonitoring. Furthermore, we are actively seeking partners with various perspectives, concerns, and available resources who might collaborate with us in the future. In filling out the questionnaire, you may indicate whether you have an interest in such a collaboration, and what role you might be able to play in a study to address a problem or knowledge gap that you have identified. Roles for partners might include study design, community outreach, recruitment of participants, sample collection, or data interpretation. We can contribute investigative leadership or support. as appropriate, and our substantial laboratory resources toward these projects

We hope that this letter has stimulated your interest in participating in the development of a biomonitoring plan for New York State, Please take a few minutes to answer the questions in the enclosed survey and return it to us by postal mail or fax by September 27.
If you have any questions, call us or send us an email at biomonitoring@wadsworth.org. Thank you for considering our request.

George Eadon. Ph.D., Director
Division of Environmental Disease Prevention
518-474-7161

Paula Pennell, M.P.H., Research Scientist
Biomonitonng Planning Project
Division of Environmental Disease Prevention
518-473-2922

Henry M. Spliethoff, M.S., Research Scientist
Biomonitoring Planning Project
Division of Environmental Disease Prevention
518-474-4046
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Excerpts taken from Wadsworth Center website / human bio-monitoring
June of 2009
New York State Dept. of Health
Biomonitoring measures personal environmental exposures, rather than inferring exposure from chemical concentrations in air, water or soil. This new approach directly quantifies the suspect chemical or its metabolites in human specimens. Wadsworth scientists are developing non-invasive methods to measure biomarkers in blood, urine and breath in order to identify individuals at risk, and then intervene using disease prevention and early detection strategies. Biomonitoring can help determine the relationship between exposure and disease, and target prevention or remediation efforts more appropriately. For example, an objective measure of exposure to emissions from the World Trade Center disaster in state employees and National Guardsmen will support investigations of future health effects. Biomonitoring Staffsee scientists...
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Mission
Wadsworth Center is a science-based community committed to protecting and improving the health of New Yorkers through laboratory analysis, investigations and research, as well as laboratory certification and educational programs.
Scientists at Wadsworth Center:
study public health issues, from drug resistance to emerging infections and environmental exposures
investigate basic biological processes that contribute to human health and disease
employ modern methods, such as biomarkers of exposure, and state-of-the-art technologies, among them a resource for visualizing biologically relevant molecules.
As the state's public health reference laboratory, Wadsworth:
responds to public health threats
develops advanced methods to detect microbial agents and genetic disorders
measures and analyzes environmental chemicals.
The Center also:
operates the most comprehensive laboratory licensure program for clinical and environmental laboratories, and blood and tissue banks
trains the next generation of scientists through programs for doctoral, master's, and undergraduate students, as well as specialized training for postdoctoral fellows and others.
Wadsworth Center: Dedicated to science in the pursuit of health.

See: Philip Sweet comments from this other page-
http://artvoice.com/issues/v8n32/news_briefly/the_bombs_keep_dropping/index _html

Also posted at:
A better place for that, would be here: Where it is responded to from Philip Sweet --What Smells in Tonawanda? (and elsewhere...)
http://artvoice.com/issues/v8n32/news_briefly/whats_that_smell

See letter date: A "2002" seven year old letter offering help that was NOT accepted by William Choboy and Philip Sweet of RRG?

Why didn't Mr. William Choboy, of Residents for Responsible Government (politicians, politically motivated themselves) group and Mr. Philip Sweet, of their health committee follow up on this health study then in 2002 or, when it was offered independently through an epidemiologist with NO government ties in 2005?

Doesn't Mr. Choboy have DIRECT connections to the nuclear power industry through the Oswego nuclear power plant and electrician's IBEW union? AND, isn't Choboy himself a politician that was involved in the hiding of the University of Buffalo, Dr. Ute Lehrer's "Close and Relocated the Lew-Port Schools Immediately Because of the Dangers" study done several years ago?

Now, we're being lead to believe that a state sponsored "health" study will show us ANYTHING? Good luck with that.

Haaa where are the results from the 2002 study by the NYS DOH ? who dropped the ball on that one ? who should be strung up for that ? As usual this county stinks like a whore house at high noon. But pepole still dont have enough brains except to attack those who try to uncover the right thing and then attack pepole like bertell and so called rag comments maybe you need a rag. There are two types of pepole in this world one is a wolf and the other is a sheep, the sheep need to start standing up to themselves. Just like the ACE and their stupid meettings with the public they run them like the public belongs to the military well guess what I once did and I do not any more so why the #$%^ do I have to listen to some %^&^%^^*&** Fago% commisioned #$^%wipe who dosent know crap except to complicate the process of trying to work with the public. The goverment created this mess and they are still running like a mess. Doc

I was a member of the former Army Guard/Reserve unit (Co B 42nd Aviation) stationed at the old Porter Road Hanger at Niagara Falls AFB.

In the late 70's and early eighties we'd go to that place (called Project 38) to a rifle range in order to have our annual weapons qualification. We even fired from the prone position lying in the dirt. We heard stories about that place but dared not to repeat them at the time. Are we in any danger of developing problems from exposure to that crap?