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Joe O’Hara responds to carping critic Scott Johnson

Scott Johnson recently criticized Joe O’Hara on this forum in response to Joe’s posting of a story about Nancy Salzman.

First, Scott carped on Joe for his conviction on what I firmly believe were trumped up federal charges in Texas. I am personally convinced Joe was the victim of both NXIVM – which had previously bankrupted him and falsely indicted him – and the DOJ’s coercive plea bargaining tactics.

Scott wouldn’t likely know much about the challenges Joe faced in going up against a ruthless federal prosecutor, quite possibly NXIVM influenced, and a biased, if not corrupt judge set to hang Joe down El Paso way.

The fact that Joe, who was still in bankruptcy court at the time, was being represented by a court-appointed, former used-car salesman turned lawyer only added to the challenge.

And just to top things off, Joe had undergone four major surgeries between the time he was indicted and the time he pled guilty. The FBI actually sent two of its agents to talk to Joe’s primary doctor — who confirmed that Joe was in danger of dying at the time.

The whole charge against Joe was insane. It concerned a mere $5,000 political contribution – that was made in the open, fully reported, and paid via a check [not cash] from a Political Action Committee (PAC) that he had established for just that purpose.

The official who accepted the money was quite possibly corrupt but Joe got no benefit from him. The sum was insignificant. It was a legal contribution. There was no quid pro quo.

But there was a vengeful DOJ. Joe was facing 20 years and a wrathful, biased, likely politically motivated judge. So, he took a plea bargain. A sure 2.5 years versus the risk of a 20-year sentence had he gone to trial with his used-car salesman/attorney.

Innocent people in America do this every day with a DOJ run amok.

We have now achieved in America the exact opposite of Blackstone’s rule. Blackstone wrote that “It is better that 10 guilty men go free than one innocent suffer.”

The Department of Justice in America has reversed that principle. In the interest of conviction statistics and career advancement – and the obloquy of admitting a mistake – the DOJ now practices, in effect, the reverse of Blackstone: It is better that 10 innocent persons are convicted [via plea bargains] than one guilty one go free.

Now is not the time to discuss it, but I have evidence that NXIVM was working through lawyers to help ensure Joe was indicted on these phony charges.

It was Nxivm’s policy to incentivize lawyers and consultants to get an indictment on one of their enemies. And Joe was definitely an enemy.

My bet is that money changed hands when Joe was indicted.

But, knowing nothing of the background, Scott Johnson wrote:

“Joe, you left out the part about being sorry for ripping off the school system in El Paso, TX.”

Joe O’Hara replied,

Scott,

1) Have you ever considered the possibility of there being a link between El Paso and NXIVM?

(2) Why do you think that I have to explain every aspect of my life to you just because I occasionally post a story about NXIVM? If you don’t like what I write, don’t read it.

***

Scott further commented on Joe’s story about Nancy. He was referring to the part of Joe’s post where Joe said he observed Kathy Russell working as almost a slave in Nancy Salzman’s garden – deprived in the hot sun of something to drink.

Scott wrote, “If Joe had shared this story several years ago, it may have saved a lot of people from harm. But like most people, he didn’t.”

Finally, Joe replied at length to Scott…

Before getting to Joe’s response, I think it is important for me to note that Joe is certainly one of the handful of people that actually had a hand in taking down NXIVM. He has been at it longer and harder and suffered more for it than anyone I can think of. And he has never asked anyone for anything for helping them out when NXIVM came after them.

Even Toni Natalie, who has fought the longest, would probably have to acknowledge that Joe has fought as hard – and suffered as much or more – than even she did.

And, as Toni tells the story, it was because Joe reached out to her back in 2005 that she herself did not end up going to prison on more trumped-up NXIVM charges.

Toni has told many people that if she had to choose anyone to be in a foxhole with – it would be Joe O’Hara. Joe never forgets what side he’s on. And he never stops fighting just because the odds are stacked against him.

In any event, Scott knows nothing of this. How could he? He wasn’t there during the thick of the fight. When it was actually dangerous to be an enemy of NXIVM.

Scott often condemns people for posting anonymous comments. But if he faced the terrorism by litigation and by the extra-legal means used by NXIVM, narrowly focused on a few individuals, with the Bronfman money and Raniere’s hatred of people – Scott might better understand the reason for prudence.

Why even today, many people are still frightened by NXIVM.

These NXIVM bastards have influenced courts, prosecutors, State Troopers, even the Department of Justice – and who knows what they would do – if the courts and prosecutors failed them?

Scott has made a lot of noise about Amway. So have a lot of others. Amway is a much bigger operation than NXIVM and has not been known to do the illegal, unethical things NXIVM does to its enemies.

It’s safe to criticize Amway.

For many years, until Joe and others made it different, it was very unsafe to criticize Nxivm.

In any event, Scott chides Joe for not telling a certain story earlier.

This finally prompted Joe to write a longer reply to Scott – which deserves in my opinion – its own separate post:

Joe wrote:

“These are the kind of comments that confirm just how uninformed you are when it comes to the history of NXIVM.

“Beginning in early 2005, Toni Natalie and I started turning over every bit of information we had to a variety of governmental agencies and officials (This information was compiled into several 5″, 3-ring binders). This included federal agencies and officials, New York State agencies and officials, and agencies and officials in Albany County and Saratoga County.

“In addition to turning over materials, we also participated in numerous meetings to explain everything we knew about what was going on – and to answer questions about NXIVM’s operations. Once again, this included federal officials, New York State officials, and officials from Albany County and Saratoga County.

“Along the way, Toni and I identified a few people who were willing to put their careers – and, in some cases, their lives – at risk to take on NVIVM. This included Dennis Yusko and Jim Odato from The Times Union, Chet Hardin from Metroland, and John Tighe from Saratoga In Decline. Later, Frank Parlato also stepped up to the front-line of the battle.

“Those of us who have been engaged in this battle from the beginning are always pleased to see more people joining in to help take down Raniere’s criminal enterprise. But we really don’t have time to respond to uninformed people who question our motives or our tactics — or who make baseless allegations about what we did or didn’t do in terms of a specific issue at a different point in time.

“You claim to be an expert on Amway – and to have been involved in a long-term battle to take that operation down. When it comes to Amway, I don’t question your history, your motivation, your strategy, or your tactics – and I certainly don’t make baseless allegations about what you did or didn’t do in your battle against Amway because I don’t know enough about that situation to raise any such questions. Nor do I raise questions about any other aspect of your life that is unrelated to Amway because I don’t see why such questions would be relevant.

“But that’s just me…”

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  • Some people are just barking dogs who love to hear the sound of the noise they make. They don’t consider the validity of their comments, its effect on others lives and the history of the struggle taking place. I’ve been on this site only a short time. From my observations I believe Scott is someone who frequently posts irresponsibly without regard for truth, historical context or effect on others.

    • I’m afraid it’s beyond that, Double. We all post a knee-jerk reaction from time to time but no one in their right mind persists in deliberately badgering everyone, all the time (if left unchecked) despite warnings and reprehensions, appeals to both reason and compassion, the way Scott and Flowes do.

      These trolls, including others, also research and distort information, track online activities, lie blatantly to discredit, manipulate and attempt to incite conflicts, etc. I’ve had comments directed at me that were exact quotes of emails and off-the-record, never published conversations I had both privately with individuals and with media in the past, particularly the Albany Times Union. And I know some of that information, those quotes, were obtained from the computers that were unjustly confiscated from Toni, Jim Odato, John Tighe and Joe by Roger Kirsopp.

      That information was used to harass and silence me periodically for the past 4 or so years, which is why I opted out of on-the-record media interviews again until fairly recently and I’m still shy about spilling it in a context I have no say in, as I do at least somewhat on FR because I do know Frank and know his heart’s in the right place even if, like all of us, he has his own worldview or construct and is being psyched out or manipulated himself by the same forces.

      • That was a very interesting remark you made in your last post, Heidi. …

        [Quote:]
        “I’ve had comments directed at me that were exact quotes of emails and off-the-record, never published conversations I had both privately with individuals and with media in the past, particularly the Albany Times Union. And I know some of that information, those quotes, were obtained from the computers that were unjustly confiscated from Toni, Jim Odato, John Tighe and Joe by Roger Kirsopp.”

        Could you please provide us with those comments that you believe were exact quotes taken from your emails?

        • Flowers – Could just be me, but I don’t think Heidi has much respect for you. Maybe try NOT commenting to her for awhile.

          • Heidi should not have any respect for Flowers and the comments she directs at Heidi in her bid to discredit her. I, for one, cannot understand why she continues doing it and I do wonder if she keeps it to this forum. I agree with you, Nut, that Flowers should stop directing comments toward Heidi. It’s coming off as a vendetta.

  • Good Job, Joe. People like Scooter and Shadow and some of the alt left trolls have no idea of how much you have fought the good fight against NXIVM. The battle will continue long after Raniere has been put away as the corrupt single party State of New York must also face justice for the enabling and often their own participation in the NXIVM evil

    • Speaking only for myself I have never criticized Joe O’Hara.
      He has done great work in exposing the corruption of NXIVM.
      And Joe’s 2012 lawsuit against NXIVM is a road map exposing possible money laundering by the Bronfman-Raniere gang and dozens of their henchmen.
      And I understand full well that in today’s America when a prosecutor or a cop is hell bent to nail you, they will pull any trick in the book to do so.
      Nothing is more frightening than the prospect of prosecutors and cops working hand in hand with the Bronfman-Raniere gang to punish critics, whistle blowers, defectors and dissidents

  • Very interesting and bravo to you for stepping up against such corrupt organisations. What a risk you took. People are still being threatened and their lives ruinedu and good to them finding something brave inside them to speak up, anonymously or otherwise.

  • Just one of many armchair quarterbacks who love to comment about people and situations around NXIVM / ESP that they never suffered directly from with themselves, while making insinuations and attempting to insult those of us who actually did.
    Interesting to see, though, he finally managed to push Frank’s button.
    Trolls are gonna troll.

  • My responses in brackets [].

    Scott Johnson recently criticized Joe O’Hara on this forum, following Joe’s posting of a story on Nancy Salzman. [I didn’t criticize Joe, I asked him to come clean about his El Paso conviction. And now look at what we’ve learned, more potential prosecutor abuse. But others (females and beta males) would rather read about a private concert that Joe was late to, and Nancy being pissed she didn’t get the presents she thought she deserved. I’m not nearly as interested in that compared to prosecutorial misbehavior, but I guess that’s just me.]

    First Scott carped on Joe for his conviction on what I firmly believe were trumped up federal charges in Texas. [If asking for information is carping, so be it.] I am personally convinced Joe was the victim of both NXIVM – which had previously bankrupted him – and falsely indicted him – and the DOJ’s coercive plea bargaining tactics. [Then why stay silent about this abuse? It will only get worse for others by not saying anything, just like the dirth of criticism about MLM scams. Is THAT what you want? I don’t, but I guess that’s just me.]

    Scott wouldn’t likely know much about Joe’s challenge against a ruthless federal prosecutor, quite possibly NXIVM influenced, and a bias, if not corrupt judge set to hang Joe down El Paso way. [Not only that, I didn’t know. That’s why I ask questions, to find out additional information. I know, that’s a strange way to obtain information, by asking questions, but I guess that’s just me.]

    The whole charge against Joe was insane. It concerned a mere $5,000 political contribution – made in the open, fully reported, made by check [not cash]. [How did Joe’s $5,000 political contribution get turned into a $2.89 MILLION restitution payment? Others may not care, but I guess that’s just me.]

    The official who accepted the money was quite possibly corrupt but Joe got no benefit from him. [A corrupt politician? Say it so, Joe. I think most politicians are corrupt, but that’s just me.] The sum was insignificant. [The sum looks like it was also just a small part of the story, but others may not share that view, I guess it’s just me.] It was a legal contribution. [Did the DOJ say it was an illegal contribution? Others may be mesmerized by the $5,000 shiny object, but I’m not. I guess that’s just me.] There was no quid pro quo. [A lot of people, besides Joe, pleaded guilty. If not quid pro quo, then what did they plead guilty to, receiving years of prison time and paying millions of dollars? Others may not see the lack of balance, I guess that’s just me.]

    But there was a vengeful DOJ. [Vengeful or bought off? I don’t see that Joe did anything against the DOJ for them to be vengeful for, but I guess that’s just me.] Joe was facing 20 years and a wrathful, bias, likely politically motivated judge. [See above comment regarding the DOJ. Ditto, but I guess that’s just me] So he took a plea bargain. [And remained quiet publicly about it as far as I know, why is this? Why aren’t others asking this question, or is it just me?] A sure 2.5 years versus a risk of 20. [Joe could have spent 2.5 years putting together his story of NXIVM and DOJ corruption. Did others ask why he didn’t do this, or is that just me?]

    Innocent people in America do this every day with a DOJ run amok. [If they don’t speak up, it will only get worse. Do others not see this, or is that just me?]

    We have now achieved in America the exact opposite of Blackstone’s rule. [Thanks to not speaking up. I expect this to happen, is it just me?] Blackstone wrote that “it is better that 10 guilty men go free than one innocent suffer.” [I agree with this and am willing to speak up about, but it appears it’s just me.]

    The Department of Justice in America has reversed that principle. [If people don’t speak up, what do you expect? It will only get worse if we don’t speak up, right? Does anybody agree, or is that just me?] In the interest of conviction statistics, in the interest of career, and the obloquy of admitting a mistake, the DOJ now practices in effect the reverse of Blackstone: It is better that 10 innocent persons are convicted [plea bargains] than one guilty one go free. [Let’s just stay quiet and maybe it will stop. Is that stupid thinking, or is it just me?]

    Now is not the time to discuss it, but I have evidence that NXIVM was working through lawyers to help insure Joe was indicted on these phony charges. [Why NOT? Now is past due the time to discuss it. Or is that just me?]

    It was Nxivm’s policy to incentive lawyers and consultants to get an indictment on one of their enemies. [I think NXIVM should have been turned in for that a long time ago. Or is that just me?] Joe was an enemy. [Joe should have been far more public about being NXIVM’s enemy, in my opinion. Does anybody agree, or is that just me?]

    My bet is that money changed hands when Joe was indicted. [If your thesis is correct, I can’t see why money didn’t change hands. Isn’t that obvious, or is that just me?]

    But, knowing nothing of the background, Scott Johnson wrote: [Why would I know about the background? Does anybody think I should have known, or is that just me?]

    “Joe, you left out the part about being sorry for ripping off the school system in El Paso, TX.” [This would have been the perfect place for Joe to answer the question as Frank did for him, throughout this story. Does anybody agree, or is that just me?]

    Joe O’Hara replied, [Except he replied in an unresponsive manner. Shame on you counselor, you should know better. Does anybody agree, or is that just me?]

    1) Have you ever considered the possibility of there being a link between El Paso and NXIVM? [My response: “Then spill the beans about the El Paso and NXIVM connection, I’m sure I would be more interested in that than some party where Nancy threw a hissy fit.” I learned that technique in Amway, answer a question with a question, it keeps you in control of the conversation, except in this case all it did was expose Joe as being evasive, does anybody agree with this assessment, or is that just me?]

    (2) Why do you think that I have to explain every aspect of my life to you just because I occasionally post a story about NXIVM? If you don’t like what I write, don’t read it. [My response: “I didn’t ask you to explain every aspect of your life, just the part where you were caught ripping off a school system, became a convicted felon, and spent a few years in prison. Go ahead and throw rocks, but don’t pretend that you’re a good guy. A little honest confession is good for the soul, as they say.” I like what anybody writes, it exposes them for what they are, right Joe? Or is that just me?]

    ***

    Scott further commented on the story. [Note that Frank hasn’t posted my response yet. I think he should, or is that just me?] He was referring to the part of Joe’s post where he observed Kathy Russell working as almost a slave in Nancy Salzman’s garden – deprived in the hot sun of something to drink. [Actually, I only referred to the gardening story in general, not the specific part about Nancy being a jerk by not offering Kathy something to drink, and there were several parts to the gardening story. Should others be concerned about being taken out of context, or is that just me?]

    Scott wrote, “If Joe had shared this story several years ago, it may have saved a lot of people from harm. [I believe that is a true statement, but perhaps it’s just me.] But like most people, he didn’t.” [Ditto the above comment.]

    Finally Joe replied at length to Scott. [And it’s about time. Or is that just me?]

    Before getting to Joe’s response I think it is important for me to note that Joe is certainly one of the handful of people that actually had a hand in taking down NXIVM. [Not very much publicly, at least that’s my view. Or is that just me?] He has been at it longer and harder and suffered more for it than anyone I can think of. [Then he should have the most to be rewarded for by publicly exposing NXIVM, right? Or is that just me?]

    Even Toni Natalie, who fought the longest, would probably have to acknowledge that Joe fought as hard or the hardest and suffered as much or more than even she did. [i’m sure Toni has lots of stories she hasn’t told as well, right Toni? Or is it just me?]

    And Toni did say that if she had to choose anyone to be in a foxhole with – it would be Joe O’Hara. [The idea of a foxhole isn’t to ONLY hide, it’s to shoot back as well. Or is that just me?] Joe never forgets what side he is on. [I doubt anybody in a foxhole would forget which side they’re on, or is that just me?]

    In any event, Scott knows nothing of this. [That’s right, that’s why I ask quesstions. Isn’t that how to obtain information, or is that just me?] How could he? [Ditto the above comment.] He wasn’t there during the thick of the fight. [Nor did I claim to be, that’s why I ask questions. Don’t others ask questions to gain information, or is that just me?] When it was actually dangerous to be an enemy of NXIVM. [Joe should have been more public with his campaign, I think it would have exposed the corruption much bettter. But perhaps that’s just me.]

    Scott often condemns people for posting anonymous comments. [Factually wrong. I call people cowards for not using their real name or a consistent fake name. But that’s not just me, that’s the facts.] But if he faced the terrorism by litigation and by extra-legal means, narrowly focused on a few individuals, with the Bronfman money and Raniere’s hatred of people – Scott might better understand the reason for prudence. [If everybody spoke up, the Bronfman money and Raniere’s hatred couldn’t keep up with them. I faced the much wealthier Amway scam and demanded an extremely favorable (to me) settlement. I know what it’s like to stand up to a Goliath – and win. But perhaps that’s just me.]

    Why people even today are still frightened. [People today should be much less afraid, as Raniere has been rotting in jail for almost a year and the Bronfmans et al are being closely watched. Now is the time to come out in my opinion, or is that just me?]

    These Nxivm bastards could influence courts, prosecutors, State Troopers, even the Department of Justice – and who knows what they would do – if the courts and prosecutors failed them? [If it’s really that bad, then why not just close down this website and throw in the towel? Or is that just me?]

    Scott has made a lot of noise about Amway. [Not enough, or they wouldn’t be operating. If others helped, they could have been shut down by now in my opinion, or is that just me?] So have a lot of others. [Ditto the above answer, and let the record show I have reached out to many, with precious little results. Does that suck, or is that just me?] Amway is a much bigger operation than Nxivm and has not been known to do the illegal, unethical things Nxivm does to its enemies. [I’ve previously listed several examples of deaths caused by MLMs (not to mention numerous divorces, bankruptcies, debt, destroyed relationships, etc.) when accused that other MLMs aren’t as bad as NXIVM, and got no replies. Amway is smarter at hiding things than NXIVM, even though they don’t claim to have the smartest man in the world leading it. Besides, why do illegal, unethical things to just your enemies? Why not do them to anybody who does business with you? Do you know what I’m referring to? Or is that just me?]

    It’s safe to criticize Amway. [No, it isn’t safe, except for my lawyer’s checking account. I got sued for speaking, remember? Or is that just me?]

    For many years, until Joe and others made it different, it was very unsafe to criticize Nxivm. [How did Joe make it “different?” I don’t know how he did that, or is that just me?]

    In any event, Scott chides Joe for not telling a certain story earlier. [I also carped/chided/criticized (just asked a question) a couple of months ago, and got no answer. Do others think Joe should have responded to the earlier story, or is that just me?]

    This finally prompted Joe to write a longer reply to Scott – which deserves in my opinion – its own separate post: [I agree, and I think my response does as well, or is that just me?]

    Joe wrote: [Finally, right folks? Or is that just me?]

    “These are the kind of comments that confirm just how uninformed you are when it comes to the history of NXIVM. [I never claimed to be informed, that’s why I ask questions, to be better informed. Don’t others ask questions for the same reason, or is that just me?]

    “Beginning in early 2005, Toni Natalie and I started turning over every bit of information we had to a variety of governmental agencies and officials (This information was compiled into several 5″, 3-ring binders). [Where is the link to all of those several 5″, 3-ring binders? What’s the downside of providing more information, Joe has already served his time. All this does is cover up more apparent corruption, which is the exact opposite of what needs to happen. You should have put it online as well to get public support, as well as others who could agree with and add to your stories. Does anybody agree, or is that just me?] This included federal agencies and officials, New York State agencies and officials, and agencies and officials in Albany County and Saratoga County. [And you’re claiming all of them are on the take? Does that sound outlandish to anybody else, or is that just me?]

    “In addition to turning over materials, we also participated in numerous meetings to explain everything we knew about what was going on – and to answer questions about NXIVM’s operations. [What specifically did you explain? Others probably would like to know, or is that just me?] Once again, this included federal officials, New York State officials, and officials from Albany County and Saratoga County. [Ditto the above two comments.]

    “Along the way, Toni and I identified a few people who were willing to put their careers – and, in some cases, their lives – at risk to take on NVIVM. [Good, we need more people like them, in my opinion. Or is that just me?] This included Dennis Yusko and Jim Odato from The Times Union, Chet Hardin from Metroland, and John Tighe from Saratoga In Decline. [Are all of those reporters/media types and not other NXIVM victims? I think there were numerous other victims you should have recruited, or is that just me?] Later, Frank Parlato also stepped up to the front-line of the battle. [Frank had good reasons to step up, he was scammed by NXIVM, sued by NXIVM, apparently got the government to sue him, and has access to media outlets. Where is everybody else? Hiding behind their random, fake names, accusing everybody else of using random, fake name. That’s my take, or is that just me?]

    “Those of us who have been engaged in this battle from the beginning are always pleased to see more people joining in to help take down Raniere’s criminal enterprise. [You’re welcome. You may not think I’m on the side of exposing NXIVM, but you would be wrong. Others may not see it that way, perhaps that’s just me.] But we really don’t have time to respond to uninformed people who question our motives or our tactics — or who make baseless allegations about what we did or didn’t do in terms of a specific issue at a different point in time. [You just took the time and I’ve explained why you should do all of the above, and more. IF you want to win, in my opinion. Or is that just me?]

    “You claim to be an expert on Amway – and to have been involved in a long-term battle to take that operation down. [Yes, that’s not only a claim, it’s true. But perhaps that’s just me.] When it comes to Amway, I don’t question your history, your motivation, your strategy, or your tactics – and I certainly don’t make baseless allegations about what you did or didn’t do in your battle against Amway because I don’t know enough about that situation to raise any such questions. [Questions are how people get information, why wouldn’t you ask them? Probably because you don’t care. Does anybody think Joe cares about Amway and other MLM scams, or is that just me?] Nor do I raise questions about any other aspect of your life that is unrelated to Amway because I don’t see why such questions would be relevant. [Have I asked you any questions about any other aspect of your life that is unrelated to NXIVM? I thought I did when I asked about your felony conviction, but it looks like I was wrong. So we really don’t know what is relevant or not, except in your legalistic manner of thinking, right Joe? Or is that just me?]

    “But that’s just me…” [Yes, it is just you.]

  • Scooter is like a Chihuahua in the front seat of a car in the Walmart parking lot.

    Someone does a post or comment and Scooter needs to prove something to himself by barking, shaking like a mad dog and showing his rotten teeth in order to play off he’s the alpha in any situation.

    Scooter complains all the time about how he was ripped off by Amway but never once has stepped up to say how he recruited people into his downline to help him with his dream of walk away residual income. How sorry are you Scooter?

      • How could you not know Amway was no different than a chain letter. Simple mathematical deduction and reasoning shows that 1/4 % to 2% will be winners, and the rest losers. Why couldn’t you figure that out ahead of time? Why do continue to blame them for your faulty reasoning or did you think you were so special you could beat the odds?

      • Scott,
        You should be sorry for ridiculing others who use this site to help each other. In many mays, this website provides the many victims a sense of safety and place to openly discuss things they have experienced over many many years. Above all, you should respect this place. When I was younger in the 70’s, I once had a friend who tried to sell me some Amway car products. At first, I was taken aback by his aggressive posturing to sell me some product in place of another product that I already liked. It was an awkward situation because he really wanted to sell me something, anything, and in some form or another, our friendship changed. I think I ended up buying a quart of some window glass cleaner. That was it for me. In the back of mind, I began to thinking of myself as his consumer every time I met him. Shortly after that, our mutual trust was gone. In getting back to my point, I hope you tread more lightly with your comments on this website instead of being the bull.

      • Omg! 🤣 Thank you for that, Baked. I was just thinking, reading Bark’s comment, how is it that while I do truly adore dogs there is curiously one yippy, yappy species I do despise…and rarely see except at Walmart since Paris Hilton retired…BAKED Cahuahua! Hilarious. Pass the relish, please.

  • What is Scott’s problem?

    His comments towards Joe show his ignorance when it comes to Raniere’s Criminal Enterprise and how little he knows about those who habe worked for decades or years to tell the truth about what this organization real mission was “give their Master whatever he wanted”.

    Shame on you Scott Johnson.

    This is another example of why Scott should be banned from this blog. He has proven time after time that his real intentions are to be offensive to why this blog was really created.

    Frank I’m asking one more time to end Scott’s ability to get his jollies off on this blog. You have sent him to his corner, that didn’t work. He stopped posting for awhile, what a joy for your readers, and every time you allow him back on as a poster, he ends up with no impulse control.

    • Agreed 100%.

      I said something similar a while ago – Just because Scott treated Frank well when he was a one-time guest on Scott’s radio show, I never understood how Frank consequently has felt obliged to give Scott free access here.

      Clearly Scott feels a need to keep his own house clean, yet has no problem constantly pissing all over Franks place (and on any unsuspecting guest immediately upon entering, as Heidi shrewdly pointed out).

    • I agree too.

      It’s time for Scott Johnson to go back to his own blog and stay there. The guy is a bully and a narcissist and he can’t even see it.

  • BRAVO, Joe! In other words you might better comprehend, Schlock: STFU — Shut the Fuck Up unless you have something real and relevant to say, “IDIOT.”

    • Anyone scouting for troll talent would have spotted Scott Johnson a mile away. Flowers smells of trolllup 5 miles away.

      They contacted YOU, Frank, not vice-versa.

      • I never commented on Joe’s story, Heidi, and I’m hardly a “troll” for asking why you can’t seem to understand that you’re also not entitled to slander former NXIVM members (such as Kruek) whom I’m pretty sure you don’t even know. You were critical of others who you claimed were posting lies, but how can you not understand that the accusations posted against Kruek have not been proven (and could all be lies)?

        Asking questions doesn’t make the commenter a troll, and it sure is telling when the person being questioned reacts in anger, instead of just answering the questions.

  • The mission to “take down Amway” is a lost cause before anyone would even begin to start. There is nothing to “bring down”. The majority figure it out quickly and it’s a lesson learned. They don’t think they were extorted by some sinister crime organization.
    Equating Amway to NXIVM or any other harmful cult is in of itself somewhat delusional. Most people know Amway isn’t going to make them wealthy. The people that do give it a chance rarely look at themselves as victims because they were warned by friends, family, anyone they asked and it’s pretty well known with a reputation that proceeds itself. Who could possibly be devastated financially by this company ? How does one keep throwing money at Amway thinking they are actually “business owners” and the money is an investment in their “company”?

    Amway doesn’t have victims. There is no comparison other than the mlm connection. Amway doesn’t need taken down. To be saved from Amway one simply needs saved from themselves. Not the case with cults

    • There is an illegal pyramid and a RICO fraud to bring down. Nobody should have to go through what you describe as some kind of fraternity or sorority hazing. Whether they think they were ripped off or not isn’t the issue, the issue is Amway and other MLM scams are breaking the law. I’m not equating other MLMs to NXIVM, they are FAR worse than NXIVM. Would you like me to list some of the deaths MLM scams have caused again? Perhaps someone will comment on these deaths this time? As you’ve said before, you don’t know what you’re talking about when it comes to Amway or other MLM scams, and you just proved it. You should come on my show so I can explain all of this ignorance.

    • Well said, Mitch. Saying all MLM’s are as bad as NXIVM is like saying all “religions” are as bad as Scientology, which is classified as a religion. There’s really NO comparison and no excuse for anyone allegedly opposed to the criminal practices of, say, Scientology to rob the collection plate at Mass in a Catholic Church because they’re a Scientology victim and on a “mission from God” to bring down all religions!

    • Thank you Mitch. This comment and that on another thread is well-stated and thought out. The more first person accounts posted to Frank Report show just how wide a net was cast by NXIVM and highlights the level of corruption among professions that are supposed to serve and protect. That is nothing like Amway.

    • True statements. You know, as a side note, it occurred to me that at the time NX was formed, there was readily accessible information that Raniere’s prior venture, the MLM Consumers Buyline, not only collapsed onto itself but had been the legal target of quite a few states for operating illegally. I often wonder how Raniere, et al explained that away.

  • I can’t say enough good about Joe O’Hara, what he’s done and suffered enormously for to help NX victims — of whom there would be far more and in far worse shape had not Joe O’Hara manned up for justice. He’s taken NX hits time and again and often for others but got right back in the saddle and led the charge against NX and all the evil it stands for in battle after battle; even when the less courageous deserted in fear or were taken out for longer stretches in prison.

    The same absolutely goes for Toni Natalie but it’s up to them to reveal what they wish to, when and where. I slip some, sometimes but try to avoid speaking for others.

    But I know, as Joe writes, sharing on FR has become suspect among NX survivors if only at minimum due to the hassle and waste of time required to respond to the often outlandish accusations, assumptions, misconstruations, that occur far too often on FR than would normally — and we’re not dealing in normal with NX. More like paranormal, lol.

    Plus, I’ve found strangely that I feel safer on here with a group of some very well-meaning people and other victims who get what I’m afraid of to advise and keep an eye out. Rather be harassed on FR than wake up in a Mexican prison and I don’t care who thinks I’m exaggerating, that’s how I feel sometimes. And Joe, and Toni, Catherine, Mark, Susan, Kim, Rick, Peter, Bonnie, India, Natalie and many of you have been there. But no one so much or so fearlessly willing to carry on to the end of this as Joe O’Hara.

    How fucking dare you Scott Johnson, Dennis Burke and any of you filthy trolling fuckers try to shame and discredit a just, descent proven man like Joe in front of us. Maybe you just didn’t know, if Joe wants to give you that excuse, but now you have none of you ever did.

    • Heidi: Your words:

      “…I’ve found strangely that I feel safer on here with a group of some very well-meaning people and other victims who get what I’m afraid of to advise and keep an eye out. Rather be harassed on FR than wake up in a Mexican prison and I don’t care who thinks I’m exaggerating, that’s how I feel sometimes.”

      Heidi, this breaks my heart. Thanks for your bravery. Hang in there and please and don’t get sick of us. You have so much to offer. Some of us who were only tangentially involved – and others – really DO care.

      I am so deeply sorry for your sister and I hope you have Peace during this Holiday season.

      • I’d like to echo OCD and her support of you Heidi. I fail to understand why people posting here recently and those who have posted here for more than a year continue to come after you or anyone who has real knowledge about NXVIM. I still believe they crave attention and, I can only guess, you would have given anything to not have this spotlight on you. I’m sure you wish your sister and yourself had never met KAR or the others. People should understand you have nothing to gain from continuing to be part of this blog other than helping to educate others to this evil. I, for one, again applaud your courage.

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