Toni Natalie in Brooklyn NY where her former boyfriend Keith Alan Raniere presently resided. In fairness, Toni, who once lived with Raniere, did have a major hand in helping him relocate to his current residence in Brooklyn.
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Guest View: Setting the record straight – in Defense of Toni Natalie

Recently a commenter who uses the moniker “The Retard AKA Bangkok” made these  remarks about Toni Natalie:

“Toni was likely benefiting from the ‘fruits’ of that Ponzi scam. If Keith supported Toni or paid any of her expenses EVER, then she was benefiting from his Ponzi Scam.

“I’m guessing that the home or condo she lived in (back in the 90’s) was probably bought or rented with money from Consumer Buyline at some point.

“Plus, her food and entertainment expenses were likely paid for from the fruits of that Ponzi scheme. When Keith took her out to dinner or on vacation (or simply bought her weekly groceries), where the fuck do you think that money came from?

“She wasn’t an ‘innocent’ girlfriend, she was seen on FUCKING VIDEO praising Consumer Buyline.

“Did Toni ever attempt to make amends with the victims of that Ponzi scam and pay some of that money back? I don’t know for sure, but I’m guessing NOT.

“…She’s not the worst person in the world, but she’s no angel. That’s sim

By Nut Job

To Bangcock –

… I originally assumed you had some NXIVM connection due to the hot air you spewed. After reading this pathetic post, it’s clear you are clueless. Not sure if anything you typed is accurate. Since you’re throwing darts while blindfolded, you might as well save your response and move on to your next instigating opportunity.

Here are some facts:

– Toni Natalie came to the Keith relationship with her own money.
– Toni was a successful business person and had also become very successful at CBI BEFORE meeting Keith. (anyone see a pattern in the women Keith preyed on?)
– When CBI was shut down, Keith was supposedly broke after paying his fines. He lived off of Toni and her money.
– Toni used her own money to start the next MLM idea that Keith came up with. That idea was shit. Toni lost her investment and was left broke.
– Toni left Keith during the first 6 months of ESP, and was dead broke as she somehow managed to get away.

As to your specific questions… they are all basically the exact same question:

“Toni had a boyfriend that ran an MLM and Toni was a part of the MLM. That makes her bad, right?”

Thanks to the great Scott Johnson, the world is now aware of the evilness of MLMs. The 80s and 90s were different.

Toni being a part of an MLM does not make her any worse than half the population. And the fact that she was good at selling memberships to a buying club makes her a good salesperson. Saying she knew it was a Ponzi scheme as she sold the memberships is an example of you throwing shit at the fan and is patently false.

You are trying to make us believe that because she dated Keith, he told her all about the shady back-office shit with CBI. If you pay any attention to Frank Report, you know that is also false.

Toni doing a video praising CBI is no different than when Scott Johnson did that video with his mom in the 90s that praised Amway soap.

Toni and Scott were both clearly drinking the MLM Kool-aid when they made the videos, and they both came out with guns blazing once they realized the ugly truth. We all have lots of reasons to call out Scott, but I doubt any of us honestly fault him because he was once a member of Amway. He’s earned his stripes on that front – just as Toni has earned hers.

Keith doesn’t pay for his women and he didn’t pay for Toni. His women support him, and Toni supported Keith for much of their time together. Think Toni is happy about her part in CBI? Hell no. Think she would take back her support of Keith and CBI? Hell yes.

Is Toni an angel? Nah. But if you want to cut somebody off at the knees by saying “they’re no angel”, then be able to come to the table with something better than “they were a girlfriend of Keith.” or ” they were part of an MLM.”

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  • Anyone who voluntarily joins any MLM is completely retarded and should not be allowed to make financial decisions.

  • Nut Job:

    Excellent and accurate commentary.

    Bangkok, IMO, you are leaping to conclusions long after the fact.

    At the time, many people praised Consumers Buyline and its seemingly benign, innovative leader. As NJ pointed out,this was in the early 90s before the wide availability of the internet. CBI was hailed as an innovative, exciting and novel concept at the time – a “win-win” for everyone.

    The people I met involved with CBI in the 90s were positive, jazzed, enthusiastic, and trusting of Keith. It is so easy now to cast stones in hindsight.

  • Bangkok, You shout too loud about the dog poop in the back yard way too often when it’s been raining for months.

    It’s beginning to look like you’ve been on bended knees with the great and powerless Vanturd way too often. Bangkok, you might need some therapy to deal with your anger and self hatred issues you project on others.

    Instead you are using the blog to lash out at victimz so you don’t have to look at your own victimization.

    Honey get some therapy.

  • Quote from news article about Toni Natalie:
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    Another time, when her conservative Catholic upbringing made her reluctant to engage in oral sex, she was invited to attend a class Raniere created on the subject. She said he told the students, including Natalie, that mothers in some developing nations perform oral sex on their children to soothe them. She suspects the class was organized just for her.
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    Source:
    https://www.timesunion.com/local/article/In-Raniere-s-shadows-3341644.php

    Now, what kind of a person would remain with a guy like Keith Raniere AFTER he just talked about SICK and TWISTED things like that?

    Think about how SICK that is.

    Any REASONABLE person would have RUN AWAY FROM KEITH AT THAT EXACT MOMENT.

    Did Toni immediately leave Keith and run for the hills after that class?

    • Keith didn’t teach that a mother SHOULD do that to their child. He stated as fact that in some developing nations it occurs in an effort to stop crying. He then posed the question “Is that ok?” This example was used hundreds of times over the years. And yes, I’m sure it was being taught that specific day as a way to get to Toni.

      Keith was fucked up and used some fucked up things in his courses. Usually, it was presented in the form of a question. This one, and the “Is suicide (or murder) ever good” question were a couple of the worst. His reasons for doing it this way have been discussed often on Frank Report, and are now fairly obvious.

  • My heart goes out to anyone involved with NXIVM. Except Keith. People’s lives in NXIVM are riddled with self deception, mind bending, good and bad memories, and just a slew of good and bad things. I say “good” for them. Those who tried to do good. But in the end the NXIVM fruit was rotten and bitter and leaves one poisoned. Perhaps for the remainder of their lives. Pointing out that people are good or bad doesn’t cut it. I say anyone involved with Keith’s nightmare are victims. Even those who helped push it along. The only person who isn’t a victim is Keith himself. Hey, that’s fitting for someone who taught there are no victims. Well, everyone was and is – aside from keith of course. Toni, Barbara, Catherine, all victims. Even Allison. Keith took good lives and twisted them into evil. Moreso with Allison than anyone else. That doesn’t take responsibility away from anyone, as we all have free will. My point is, if Keith never existed, all of these people would have led decent lives (I would hope). Keith is the reason for all misery associated with NXIVM. He is the corrupt root. I feel bad for everyone affected by him. Yes, Allison and any others need to answer and stand trial for what they’ve done. But Keith is at the root of all of that evil. The world would be such a better place had he not been born.

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