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Guest View: Allison Mack was a victim too; She ‘desired to help people overcome fears’

By Max

I personally think that all these women are victims to an extent.

What Sarah Edmonson did ultimately was very brave, I’m not questioning that. But it took her months to understand the darker side of what DOS was, and from I’ve heard, discussing it with multiple people outside the group.

So my question is more, how clear would it be to a ‘reasonable’ member of DOS that what was going on was illegal?

I find it incredibly irritating when Shadow singles out Allison Mack without anything that seems credible. If I saw a video of her beating or torturing somebody, I wouldn’t be writing this. If I saw evidence of her being a pedo or selling children, I certainly wouldn’t be writing this. But so far, what I’ve gotten is that she bullied one or two people (adults) into sex.

DOS was supposed to help the women overcome their fears, right? Or at least the women believed that? Is there any indication that Allison believed otherwise? Was she ever paid specifically for anything relating to sex? Was she paid for anything in DOS at all?

I have no trouble picturing Vantard coming along and billing sex with himself as a healing technique for fears of intimacy or childhood trauma or whatever. And I could even picture Allison pressuring others to have sex with him, believing it to be for their benefit. But that’s still him exploiting everyone, including her, and her desire to help people overcome fears or whatever.

Look at the sex ring that got busted in Florida a few weeks ago. They allegedly had women locked in the back room of a massage parlor, forbidden to leave. The health inspector only had to walk through the building a couple times to see what was going on. It was obvious what was going on. It didn’t take months to figure it out. The smoking gun was right there. That’s what sex trafficking looks like. It can exist in more subtle forms too, but again my point is whether DOS members were aware of what they were participating in.

But what about the branding?

Well Allison never branded anyone, and she didn’t even recruit Edmondson into DOS.

And if branding was the crime, Dr. Danielle Roberts, who did the actual branding, would have been charged. The charges are about forced sex, and it sounds like the whole point of DOS and ESP and all of these other groups is people pushing each other’s limits.

Allison probably got bullied into sex as well. Again, I’m not condoning pressuring anyone into sex, but the difference between this group and and the sex ring mentioned above are a difference of magnitude. It just pisses me off that the DOJ charged her so much more harshly than anyone else in DOS.

 

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  • I’m guessing they have the evidence as to why they “charged her so much more harshly than anyone else in DOS”.

      • Precisely. It’s not too hard to fathom why. I think Max’s over sympathy toward Alison should be used elsewhere. Like the traumatised ladies with her initials branded on them.

        • Natashka@&Shadowstate,

          You are both trying to explain DOJ’s motivations to a Caucasian Sultan of Six.

          Good luck to the both of you!

          Plus I think Max is a troll.

          • Shadowstate,

            I am thinking the same thing.

            I never dreamed that there are so many people who have taken up “trolling” as a hobby on such a levels.

            The Frankreport is actually the first website I have ever commented/posted on other than posting a question on a programing/technology website.

            On Facebook/Instagram I post picture and tap a like ocasionally. On Facebook I have probably made no more than 20-30 comments, maybe even less.

            The somewhat newish Web/internet culture is strange.

  • I believe that is what each woman thought. This filthy man has had a lot practice in deceiving decent strong intelligent women. He reaps all the benefits while they practice humility, discipline and pushing past fears to accelerate the mental and physical health of women and try to understand the genders better to bring about equality while being manipulated for their commitment to loyalty and hard work. THEY worked long hours, THEY went without sleep THEY followed restrictive diets. HE fleeced everyone and sought to ruin reputations of people willing to give it their all.

  • Allison Mack went along with Keith Raniere evil ideas. No one can made someone step over their moral compass line unless they are willing to do so because they believe they will get something out of it.

    Allison Mack was sleeping with Keith Raniere. She had become his madam, female pimp.

    Allison Mack decided to move from Vancouver BC and give up her career as an actor. She broke up with her boyfriend to be with her new boyfriend Keith Raniere and live ‘his ways’ in Albany NY.

    Allison Mack committed a crime by having fake marriage so another one of Keith Raniere’s girl toys could stay in the US, Nicki Cline.

    Alison Mack had the opportunity after Raniere’s arrest and before hers hers to work with the DOJ. She had her chance to make a plea deal early on after her arrest to make a plea deal but didnt. She choose to wait until the last week or so to even consider a deal following the lead of others of going to trial. That’s what sheep who give their minds to others do.

    Is she a victim? To her own low self esteem and her own low moral compass, yes. Not everyone who walked through the doors of NXIVM broke the law or slept with the short smelly man.

    Did we get conned out of thousands of dollars, yes. Did we do work for free to work our way up the stripe path that his bitches and Raniere control, yes. Did we all fall for his sex and criminal enterprise? Not even close.

    • I agree with you. I personally know Allie and she was placed in that position of madame because she despised women and would have done anything to be considered as special by Keith. She lied, manipulated and coerced in order to get what she wanted and please KAR. She is not innocent.

      • Interesting if you know her well enough to have some insight into that, thanks for sharing.

        The way she seems to have zealously taken on her role in DOS, indicates that there’s something deeply wrong with her. That her “collateral” reportedly includes something about abuse within her family of origin is a real red flag to me; children from abusive environments unfortunately often go on to become abusers themselves, treating others as objects to manipulate.

      • I also knew Allimack back before she joined this cult. She was one of my best friends in high school. i thought we were very close, and I was shocked to see what she had become after we drifted apart. I imagined she’d be possibly retired from acting, but married with children and living in the burbs like most of the people who went to OSCHA.

        I’m a person of color, so the whole slavery thing has me looking back at our friendship with a lot of question marks. What I do know is she was very smart, and much more of a leader when I met her. She was able to get a pretty large group of girls to follow her around. I don’t believe for one second she was forced or coerced into doing anything. That’s not the Allimack I knew, and I fully believe she was aware and guilty of everything she participated in. I don’t believe this poor little white girl game she’s playing for one second.

  • Anyone know if John Glover, who played Lex Luthor’s father in Smallville has ever spoken about Allison since the DOS stuff came out? Someone said Allison went to see him in his play the week she was arrested and in an interview some years ago, I remember she said he was the only one from Smallville she still talked to. He seems to do the convention scene but I’ve heard anytime Smallville cast are involved, questions about Allison are forbidden. One guy said when he attended a panel with Tom Welling, an announcement was made beforehand that if anyone asked about Allison, the panel would be cancelled right then and there.

    • “in an interview some years ago, I remember she said he was the only one from Smallville she still talked to.”

      Was she not still in contact with Kristin Kook?

      ***

      “I’ve heard anytime Smallville cast are involved, questions about Allison are forbidden. One guy said when he attended a panel with Tom Welling, an announcement was made beforehand that if anyone asked about Allison, the panel would be cancelled right then and there.”

      That’s disgusting. Thats censorship. Kristin Kook will be doing a couple of these cons in May. She is too cowardly to admit her role in the cult. Will people be warned not to ask her questions about NXIVM? If they want to cancel, fine do it. Then these loser actors wont get that easy money for doing nothing, getting money for signing autographs and taking pictures with pathetic fan boy/girls.

      Why wont they answer questions? Are these actors not privileged enough, they get to dictate the narrative too? Kristin Kreuk so far let off the hook and also being shielded from uncomfortable questions. They have made Allison Mack the one whose name they dare not speak, but Kristin Kreuk gets away with it?

      People should ask her why she stayed with NXIVM even after being named in the pedo expose. Or being named in a NXIVM lawsuit.

      • What is the rest of the cast going to say, anyway, except that they don’t know much about what Mack did off set and after she left the series? I can understand that they don’t want to be harangued by people asking questions, to which they don’t have answers. And they have fans in the event who paid good money to hear about more relevant things.

        Kreuk is a more fraught case. But I’m not so sure that she’s as much cowardly and culpable, as in denial and too superficially self-centered to understand the implications of what she was involved with (the extent of which is still open to debate).

      • Ask Bouchey. No answers are enough or believed. BB answered and was judged by the FR as evasive, lying, deluded, or even planning to restart Nx.

        • Ex-NXIVM people or simply those who know/knew Barbara Bouchey seem to have a negative opinion of her to begin with.

          Bouchey has only very recently started posting on Frank Report. Kreuk has been spoken about for years since Saratoga In Decline. John Tigue even said Kreuk was welcome to make a statement on his blog. Kreuk has not even bothered to answer questions. If she tries to defend herself, it would be the same as her defending Allison Mack as the accusations and facts regarding Kreuk relate to Mack too. Kreuk is not a naive little fairy. She is self-centered and cowardly, as are the other silent NXIVM virtue signalers.

          • See above BB comment.
            People here have decided KK is guilty, and no answer would satisfy or be believed.

        • No, Kreuk refusing to answer simple questions is her own doing. If she doesn’t answer, it makes her look suspicious. Nothing and nobody is forcing her silence. She can answer simple questions but refuses, so far.

          • No, it makes her look smart. Look how BB was treated here. That you (and others) could be satisfied by her answers to “simple questions” is ridiculous.
            And again, by exposing your childish and lame obsession with Sultan…who I am not…you lose your credibility.

        • You are definitely the brown spunk distributor. You can’t stop masturbating over a cultist coward. Even your fantasy spank is shit. You could fantasise about anything and you choose Kristin Kook. Sure Spanky, all these cowards are silent because of the mean commentators on the Frank Report!

          Cry some more. Call the whambulance. 👳🏾‍♂️

          • Lol mean girls going crazy because Kristin in not envolved in cult case….booohoo!!
            Now go wash that wambulance spermtalker…it’s getting sticky..lol
            And just to remind you mean girls,….Kristin’s initials are not branded on anybody!!!
            Deal with it mean girls!!!

    • Certainly regarding the legitimization of the NXIVM cult. Had it not of been for them using their fame to promote the cult, DOS may never of ever existed. Their compliance helped lay the foundations. Mack is going to jail and Kreuk is a lying coward.

      • The only cowards are the mean girls attacking Kristin for nothing…no proof, no Kristin initials on branded women, and no case. Deal with it! Now go wash that whambulance!

  • Max,

    I am glad that you are a young man concerned with the important things in life.

    “It just pisses me off that the DOJ charged her so much more harshly than anyone else in DOS.” ,Mac

    It’s not like helping a child molester/rapist acquire more victims is wrong or anything………

    • Yolanda, do you know where Allison Mack was on the stripe path? If you also don’t mind me asking, where were you?

    • Yes, Yolanda Cortez, “solid critical thinking’ – for Narnia.
      You Dozy closet nxer. Meanwhile IRL AM restrained unwilling victims while the incorrigible Dr. Roberts, burned an ugly sigil of her initials into an area referred to on Tattoo pain charts as ‘Suicidal’ and ‘Don’t Go There!’

      Your PR game is Not Viable. Your critical thinking, risible.

    • Just typical intellectually sloppy apologism – such as the attempt at a false comparison to the sex trafficking ring locking women up in back rooms, and failing to address that NXIVM actually (or allegedly) did that, too.

      “Max” is essentially making the case that Mack was involved in a mix of self-help and BDSM activities. But even by those standards, she still violated various norms of ethical practice, consent, and so on.

      Quite a few criminals are sociopathic enough to not believe that anything they did was wrong. That doesn’t absolve them, or even others who should have known better, of responsibility.

  • Ok so just an fyi, I wrote this a couple of weeks ago before it came out that Allison was in plea negotiations. And sorry for the rambling-nature of the post, I was having a bad day for other reasons.

    I would advise anyone who is interested to go and listen to the Escaping NXIVM podcast where Sarah explains why she chose to publicly defend Raniere after the Times Union article came out accusing him of pedophilia. Here’s a hint: It’s not because she condones sex with children.

    I’m not suggesting Allison should get off scott free, and I certainly don’t condone luring women into DOS without telling them everything involved. I said in a post way back that 5-10 years in jail would be fair for what she did. My objection is to her being charged as a ringleader, when we all know that Raniere controlled everything. We know how good he is at at manipulating, blackmailing and abusing people, and if the evidence shows that he did those things to Allison, then IMO, she deserves some amount of leniency. But I’m not by any means saying she did nothing wrong.

      • Basically that Raniere had cultivated this idea that because they were doing such great things, there would inevitably be groups that would spread lies about them and try to bring them down. And that the ‘honorable’ thing to do when faced with a lie is to ignore it rather than to acknowledge its existence.

        It sounded like he was teaching that way before 2012 when the Times Union article came out.

    • Raniere controlled everything.

      All Allison Mack had to do was exercise her female empowerment and tell Raniere to take a long walk off a short pier.
      Could you imagine Raniere doing the dirty work of overseeing a branding?
      Could you imagine Raniere doing the dirty work of wielding a hot cauterizing pen?
      Raniere could do the dirty work of devouring a whole cheeseburger and little more.

    • I’m with you, Max.
      Good thing you didn’t use your real name and aren’t ex-NXIVM. That 5-10 yrs you want Allison locked up for would cause the commenters to turn you into being Keith Alan Raniere himself.

    • What I really want to know more than anything in this case is to what extent the ‘brainwashing, NLP, hypnosis etc.’ affected Allison’s decisions. IMO, she either had to be extremely mind controlled …..or just so desperate for the affection of Keith that she went along with his demands. I was hoping for this to be revealed during trial or at some point – but with pleas looking likely I don’t know if I’ll get those answers. I wish Sara E. or some other defectors would better explain the mind control aspect. Also why wasn’t Nicki C. or other supposed slave holders charged? Doesn’t make sense.

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