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Part 3: Gems From Trial: Allison Mack Tells Nude Slave She Has ‘Beautiful Cunt’

Allison Mack did not fare too well at the trial. In fact, at times she came off looking like a stinker and at other times like a perv.

It was June 7, 2019 in the trial of Keith Alan Raniere.  Nicole, a DOS slave was on the witness stand.

Nicole had been testifying for hours about her slavery to Allison Mack and Keith Raniere and how she was increasingly required to provide collateral for Mack, her slave master, and for Raniere, who was her “grandmaster.”

Assistant US Attorney Moira Penza is doing the examination of Nicole.  She is asking Nicole about an experience she had in 2016 at the home of Michelle Hatchette – who, like Nicole, was a slave of Mack’s.

Penza: Turning your attention to October 2016, did you end up going on a trip with Allison Mack?

Nicole: Yes.

Q Can you explain?

A It was Michele’s birthday, and her family had a home in the Berkshires. And, so, we all, all … five of us, Danielle [Roberts], India, Allison, Michele and I, all drove out to the house in the Berkshires for the weekend.

Q And how was the trip?

A Per many things that happened, like, a mix of emotions.  It was supposed to be… a bonding trip, and some of it was nice. We went on a hike, which is always nice to get out of the city, and we kind of explored one of the small towns… outside the Berkshires, and we made dinner together. So that part …  felt okay. It felt, like, kind of like bonding, and those were moments that weren’t as bad…

Q Did something happen after dinner?

A Yeah. It had been, like, a really nice day, actually, and then after dinner, Allison [said to us] ‘As much as I would like this to be just a bonding trip, it’s not. ‘ Oh, gosh, like, what’s coming? And she said, ‘I have another assignment for you guys. I am going to take a close-up photo of all of your pussies’…

Q How did you feel when she said that?

A No. That’s how I felt, I felt like ‘no.’

Q Did you say, no?

A Yeah. [I said] ‘absolutely not’ … I [said] ‘no.’ And I don’t remember what her actual… response was, but it was a back-and-forth that I lost. Because then [Allison  said] I couldn’t behave like that. I couldn’t defy her like that, so it was like, ‘No, you’re doing this.’

We had just finished the family photo, [where the slaves posed together nude for a picture to send to  Raniere] so I already had to go through the family photo situation. We put back on our clothes and she told us this. And I was just, like, ‘you’ve got to be kidding me. You’ve got to be kidding me.’ And, so, [we] took off all our clothes again and stood in a line. And Danielle, I think, went first…

Q As each person goes — so, you and the other three women are standing in a line?

A Yes.

Q And where is the actual photo being taken?

A On the couch….   you had to sit on the couch, spread your legs, and Allison was standing right there with…  her camera phone, and she would take a picture.

Q And was it, in fact, a very close-up picture?

A I think so. I certainly did not ask to look at the picture, but, yes, it was —

Q It was focused on your vagina?

A It was focused, like, straight on, yes.

Q So, it’s a line of the four of you. Danielle goes first?

A I think so. I don’t remember the exact order.

Q Okay.

A I know I was last.

Q And what happened when you went? Did she say anything to you?

Michelle Hatchette was admired by Allison Mack

A Well, she said something when Michele went.

Q What did she say when Michele went?

A She said — … she looked at the photo and just kind of said, ‘Beautiful cunt.’ And I was just like, ‘God, what?’ I just was grossed out. And, yeah, and I just waited for my turn and I was, like, really angry. Really angry.

Q And the picture was taken of you?

A Yes.

Q And what happened afterward?

A She [Allison] made some comment like, ‘See? That wasn’t so bad.’ And I …  just remember my jaw being…  set because I was so angry and I was…  trying to …  swallow my words. So, I just stopped speaking. I refused to speak.

And she made us sit down and… talk about…. how we felt  … and I wouldn’t speak. And then she’s just [said to me]  ‘Oh, are you…  still throwing a fit over there?’ And then she said, ‘You have to answer me.’  … I don’t know, the only way I could think of, like, getting some kind of power back, [was] not speaking to her, and then she made me answer whatever stupid question she had asked me.

I just remember being really angry and, also…  really unnerved because … I know these pictures … are being sent to Keith and that … makes me,… grossed out and disgusted and … I was very unhappy.

DOS slaves Nicki Clyne, Allison Mack, Michelle Hatchette, Sam LeBaron, and Dr. Danielle Roberts.

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For those who wonder about it and debate the role of Allison Mack, a question: Did she enjoy this experience described above – or was she – because she was collateralized too, like Nicole, forced to do her master, Raniere’s bidding?

if Nicole was a victim because she had collateral, was Allison a victim also?

 

 

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  • I have not focused on Allison’s family very much because I want to leave them out of this discussion.
    Most of them are innocent bystanders.
    They are not members of NXIVM although they might be termed fellow travelers.
    And as far as I know they have not committed criminal acts.
    But Allison’s family is very liberal and relaxed when it comes to issues of sex.
    California Liberal.

    Allison has a younger sister who is openly lesbian and very proud of it.
    This sister looks like a cross between Carol Burnett and Woody Allen.
    And being in a sex cult where there is only one Alpha Male allowed to have sex with the women it should not be surprising that Allison Mack would turn to lesbianism as a form of sexual expression.
    And I believe the same holds true with Nicki Clyne.
    I know that both Allison and Nicki have many gay male friends in the cult.

    • Dude, what???

      “I want to leave them out of the discussion.” Liar. Or maybe try a little harder?

      • Nutjob,

        I believe just as Bangkok obsesses over Flowers…….

        …..You may have an infatuation or passion for Shadowstates sleuthing skills and inner thoughts.

        I don’t believe it’s sexual in nature like Bangkok’s obsessions, but more along the lines of an intense respect and deep all encompassing admiration……

        ….. you sir are in awe of brilliance!!!!!

        Nutjob perhaps you should write the unofficial biography of Shadowstate.

    • Wow, you say you want to leave Allison’s family out of the discussion, and then you ignorantly imply that her lesbian sister is “proud” of being a lesbian because of her liberal upbringing. Then you mock her appearance.

      That’s some douchey, bigoted stuff there, dude.

      You frequently talk about homosexuality and/or bisexuality like it’s some weird, fringe perversion, and like act like it’s a perfectly reasonable opinion to have.

      It’s not 1950 anymore and you sound like an asshole with your constant need to paint anything that’s not heterosexual as immoral, or something people can be convinced to do because of “liberals.”.

      “I know that both Allison and Nicki have many gay male friends in the cult.” So fucking WHAT?!

      And your obsession with Mack is EASILY as creepy as Sultan’s obsession with Kreuk. Sultan gets rightfully criticized because he’s white knighting Kreuk…and you get rightly criticized because of your endless campaign to convince everyone that Mack is a demon woman.

      Your misogyny shows.

      Finally, the way you argue that Clyne has been posting here under an alias is fucking hysterical. You think it makes you look bright and inquisitive but it makes you look dumb.

          • I wasn’t looking for forgiveness.
            Since it’s Gay Pride Month I was celebrating Gay Culture.

            And don’t tell me I need to read about Alfred Charles Kinsey.
            I knew about Alfred Charles Kinsey before you were born.
            I was born in the exact same hospital that Alfred Kinsey died in.
            My parents knew Herman Wells, the President of Indiana University who championed Kinsey’s research.

    • Yes, again Shadow you cross the line, like when you id’d her brother.
      You are misguided that bi or homosexuality is a liberal thing, or a Hollywood thing…it’s a natural biological thing for some, not a choice.
      The personality defect you should investigate is your own obsession with other’s sexuality and your sick need to judge.
      Your old age is not an excuse for still having outdated debunked “thinking.”
      This kind of post reveals the real you coming out of the shadows and into the light for all to see…not a pretty sight.

        • I’ve heard of the Gay Republican Club, the Log Cabin Club.
          And I know of Gay Republicans like former House Speaker Denny Hastert who liked to sexually abuse teen age boys.

          ” in April 2016, federal prosecutors made allegations of sexual misconduct against Hastert, saying that he had molested at least four boys as young as 14 while he worked as a high school wrestling coach decades earlier.[17] At the sentencing hearing later that month, Hastert admitted that he had sexually abused boys whom he coached.[18] The judge in the case referred to Hastert as a “serial child molester” and imposed a sentence of 15 months in prison, two years’ supervised release, and a $250,000 fine.
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Hastert

      • ” like when you id’d her brother.”

        I have never ID’d her brother even though I know his name.
        And I have never used her sister’s name even though I know it.

        • Shadow
          If you were not the one who “sleuthed out” her brother and his picture….then I apologize.
          If no one did and I am imagining it…then I apologize.
          If you did so expose her brother’s info and now deny it…then apologize.

          • If you must know the UK’s Daily Mail has published both her brother’s name and his picture.
            Anyone with an internet connection can find it.
            And her sister is quite proud of her sexual orientation discussing it on social media.
            But I have never used her sister’s name in any post or comment nor have I mentioned her sister’s profession.
            And I know some information about her father’s profession which I have not mentioned.
            Suffice it to say that no one else in her family is a member of NXIVM and as far as I know no one else in her family has committed a felony.

        • How do you know their names Shadow???
          You were happy to share her sisters job role/sexuality etc.. how do you know this??

      • Have you heard of the Gay Speaker of the House of Representatives Dennis Hastert who like to sexually abuse teen age boys?

        in April 2016, federal prosecutors made allegations of sexual misconduct against Hastert, saying that he had molested at least four boys as young as 14 while he worked as a high school wrestling coach decades earlier.[17] At the sentencing hearing later that month, Hastert admitted that he had sexually abused boys whom he coached.[18] The judge in the case referred to Hastert as a “serial child molester” and imposed a sentence of 15 months in prison, two years’ supervised release, and a $250,000 fine.
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Hastert

    • Nice use of apophasis! Well done, old boy. And now the eternal question: how many pictures of Allison Mack do you have on your computer? And in case you didn’t hear — or see: how many pictures of Allison Mack do you have on your computer? (Full disclosure: I have 10.)

      And now a new question: what percentage of your downloaded porn is gay-related, or chosen more because of the male participant rather than the female? (Full disclosure: for still photography, no more than 5% for me. For movies, about 40%.)

      Well? You’ve been asked question #1 before. Well? Shadow? Are you there?

    • There might be some details of Mack’s upbringing and background that could be relevant to understanding how she ended up where she did – but none of those superficial or overly general things.

      What she ended up in, was something more like a version of the Utah ultra-conservative FLDS, but on the Hudson with 50 Shades of Grey as the guide to obedience and discipline rather than the Bible.

      • Agreed it’s like no one can now have a reasonable conversation on AM because her number 1 (worldwide) stalker is ready to write 1000s of words claiming she is the Devil.. and seek approval for stalking her family, then make it political liberals Vs Republicans.. it’s a pity cause there are some concern s there, her first Movie as a young girl was soft core porn (non sex role)… But can’t discuss this around Shadow.. his old heart wouldn’t cope!!

      • Interesting Junior. Actually Allison and NXIVM were far more closely related to the ultra conservative cult of Islam, which also has no tolerance for the perversion of active homosexuality. They more closely resemble 50 Shades of Grey as the guide to obedience and discipline rather than the Koran

    • Be careful there sicko…
      You are doing the same things that people criticize from Sultan…

      Her family has Nothing to do with this and if you push with this, i’ll make sure authority get all the infos about the sicko who is so obsessed by a girl half his age (who is a victim, mr lowlife) and decide to extend his obsession over her family.

      Get a life and leave Allison and her family alone before you’ll regret it (thanks to the authority)

      (Oh and Before the usual BS “Freedom of speech”. nope, your obsession is not included in that either…there are rules)

      • If Allison Mack were so concerned with her family she should have considered the consequences of becoming a PIMP in a sex slave cult.

        Did Allison Mack care about her family when she falsely claimed that her nephew was sexually molested by a relative?
        Did Allison Mack care about her family when she falsely claimed that she herself was molested by a relative?

        STOP TRYING TO DEFEND THE VIRTUE OF A WOMAN WHO HAS NO VIRTUE.

    • Being gay determines absolutely nothing about a person’s political leanings. Being fervently obsessed about homosexuality tho, does raise the possibility that you live in the closet, Shadowstate. You should spend less time chasing the white witch in Narnia, bruv, and more time round gay men, it’ll improve your outlook, or, at least, the way you look!

      • “Being fervently obsessed about homosexuality tho, ”

        For the past month newspapers and media outlets across the country have been obsessed with Gay Pride Month.
        It used to be Gay Pride Day.
        Now it is Gay Pride Month.

        Non-Stop stories about the Stonewall Riot of 1969.
        More stories about the Stonewall Riot than the first manned moon landing which occurred at about the same time.

        And Rainbow Flags everywhere.
        In Chicago they even have Rainbow street crosswalks.

        It is not enough that people be forced to tolerate homosexuality.
        It is not enough that people tolerate Gay Marriage.
        People must be forced to CELEBRATE homosexuality.
        Children in schools must be taught about homosexuality.
        Children must read books like “Heather Has Two Mommies.”

        And any expression of conventional masculinity is regarded as toxic.
        Novels and TV programs like “The Handmaid’s Tale” rail non-stop against the White Male Patriarchy.

        • Please enlighten us, Shadow.

          Give us examples of masculinity that YOU think is proper, but that society regards as toxic.

          Really, I want to know.

  • Allison Mack is a sick twisted individual who needs a great deal of therapy. She needs to go away. She is a danger.

  • As I’ve said before, Allison Mack is crazy, but not crazy enough to be excused her crimes on the grounds of diminished responsibility or mental incapacity.

    She needs to be in prison receiving long-term psychiatric help.

    That is what would be best for her.

  • NXIVM/DOS is a very funny fish.

    It isn’t a religion, though worship was expected.

    It isn’t a therapy, but it spoke the lingo.

    It isn’t a self improvement technique, unless you see completely wrecking your life as an improvement.

    I think it was built from the bottom up to be a cult.

    I think Vangone had that intention from day one.

    And the truth is he succeeded on a very small scale.

    But all thats left now is a much reduced group of fanatics with nothing better do.

    Nickvi, please open your eyes and see what you’ve done to yourself.

  • Frank,

    Having power and control over other people can be very intoxicating…..

    Was Allison Mack a victim because of her collateral? Or was she a villain?

    ……Maybe the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

    Allison Mack has not filed for divorce from Nicki Clyne yet.

    In view of the latest news you reported, do you believe Allison Mack has truly left NXIVM?

    • Originally I had thought Allison Mack was not used as a witness by the prosecution because her celebrity could be a distraction for the jury;

      As well as the fact that because Allison’s slaves were testifying the prosecution’s narrative of Keith Raniere being the sole architect of the Nxvim criminal enterprise would be muddled.

      • Her celebrity? really? Most people didn’t knew who she was until the scandal…

        The only Reasons she was not called are :
        – She would have been seen as a victim (which she is)
        – She would have testified about a lot of the same as Lauren (they were in the same position)

        • Anonymous,
          The show was on for 10 years(famous).

          She would not have been seen as a victim. After the jury heard the testimony of the other women.

          Lauren slaves did not have sex with Vanguard. Totally different stories between Allison and Lauren. Lauren was treated better by Raniere.

          Anonymous did you even follow the along on the Frankreport and follow the trial?

          Probably not.

    • By all accounts she is absolutely terrified of going to prison. If it wasn’t for that, she would still be lording it over her slaves. Love doesn’t die on demand, so I’m pretty sure that she’s still unhappily in love with her master. Pining for him, I’m sure. I don’t think she’s even begun to realise how far over the line she strayed. I do feel a degree of compassion for her, but the law deals with justice, not forgiveness. When she’s paid her debt to society, forgiveness might be appropriate.

      • Paul,

        Do you think her obsession for Keith Raniere is worse than Barbara Bouchey’s obsession?

    • “Allison Mack has not filed for divorce from Nicki Clyne yet. ”
      Nobody knows that…
      “In view of the latest news you reported, do you believe Allison Mack has truly left NXIVM?”
      Noooo, she blamed Raniere to stay in Dos…Make sense!
      Think for a second…if you can

      • Anonymous,

        Divorce is a matter of public record in every state.

        Get your facts right then comebacks with your critiques.

        • And divorce is public when pronounced…not while the procedure is filed! And depending on the state, this can take more than a year.

          Get YOUR facts right!
          It still doesn’t answer why you ask the second ridiculous question…Don’t, just Don’t, it’s ok.
          But THINK BEFORE YOU WRITE…
          We have enough with 1 Shadow here.

      • Allison Mack still considers herself to be a member of the NXIVM DOS family.
        She just blames Raniere for what happened.

        Here is what Allison said in her allocution.

        “As Your Honor is aware, I dedicated years of my life to an organization in which I and others truly believed, NXIVM. In the course of my time with NXIVM, I became close with many individuals, many of whom are wonderful people, and some of whom I now realize are not.”

        In other words only a few people, particularly Keith Raniere, are bad but most of the people in NXIVM are “wonderful.”

        Only the exposure of Raniere’s pedophilia forced Allison Mack’s hand and convinced her to plead guilty.

        Allison Mack is still a member of NXIVM.

        And Nicki Clyne has made it clear that Allison is welcome back in NXIVM.

        • And you know that how? you discovered that during one of your many intrusions? your stalking?
          no?
          Then shut up , old man…all you do is talking BS, systematically.

          Moron!

  • She’s an asshole. It’s not that uncommon for people to enjoy power and cruelty. Think of your average fraternity house– make the pledges suffer. It’s funny! Jokes at other people’s expense, making the noob look like a fool, make the shaved-head recruit run around the parade ground in full pack until the sergeant tells him to stop, send him off to get a can of striped paint. The Navy used to have its “crossing the line [equator] ceremony, likely still does.

    Mack was just enjoying some common garden variety assholery. There’s nothing special about her, she’s unremarkable in her nastiness. She hasn’t the excuse of being mentally ill. The only remarkable thing was she managed to get herself convicted of two felonies by being a particularly stupid asshole. That kind of assholery deserves some kind of medal.

    She can ponder this as her cellmates dunk her head in the toilet.

  • Certainly seems she enjoyed her role. The whole “you can’t refuse me, you must answer me” She could have let the not talking slide. The “assignment “ was completed and she went further with mocking and ridicule.

    Even if she believed in what was taught and thought she was somehow helping women, she broke the law, she victimized people. Her intentions are irrelevant. Nazis, abusive spouses and stalkers all claim a greater good, best interest, love.

    I question if Mack or many of the other dos group considers themselves victims or wish people would have “minded their own business “.

  • I don’t think Allison is sick. Or brainwashed. I think she’s just a stupid moron who is incapable of critical thought and well along for the ride. She fell into something that gave her a sense of belonging and did anything that Keith wanted. She’s just a legitimately, moronic, bad person.

  • ‘The Vagina Monologues, told us the word c*nt, as well as other similar descriptive words, could be used to empower women. I guess some of the DOS members didn’t get the message.

    • BKH,

      You saw the “Vagina Monologues” play or read the book?

      How very metropolitan and cultured you must be.

      I am not being sarcastic or flippant.

      It’s a genuine sincere compliment.

  • Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
    Sure Allison enjoyed the power trip sge was on.
    Allison got played thus she took glee in playing others.
    Remember the famous experiment where some were guards and some were prisoners?
    Just like that.
    Allison enjoyed being a jailer.
    Victim my ass.
    Sadist is more like it.

    • Why wouldn’t the prosecutors call Mack to testify?

      Her long history of deceptions and prevarications.

      1.) Telling potential recruits that DOS was a female empowerment group when it was really a sex trafficking organization..

      2.) Fabricating a story that her nephew was sexually molested by a relative.

      3.) Fabricating a story that she herself had been sexually molested by a relative.

      4.) Testimony from Witnesses “Nicole” and “Jaye” showing the creepy, deceptive behavior of Allison Mack.

      “Allison Mack told alleged sex slave she could be ‘Wonder Woman’
      By Emily Saul June 6, 2019 | 8:55pm”
      https://pagesix.com/2019/06/06/allison-mack-told-alleged-sex-slave-she-could-be-wonder-woman/

    • It is true, i know it as a fact…It’s just Penza’s choice (well maybe not)
      Like i said, it could be they consider that Lauren’s testimony was giving out the same results and more so they choosed her…
      But I suspect that they declined her testimony after what happened to Lauren…

      The court could likely drop a HUGE amount of time on her sentence because of the “breakdown”…If Allison had testified, she would have likely showed what was pretty much showed in court…That she was just another victim.

      That means (for prosecution) that the plea deal was unfair and could have sparkled serious critics…

  • Nope, Allison was not a victim here. She enjoyed it. She had already bought into whatever bullshit Keith was selling.

  • No one testified nor were there any text/email provided by the DOJ or defense that Lauren Salzman made threats to release anyone’s collateral. Salzman didn’t order anyone or seduce or have sex with the Grand Master Van-can’t-get-it-up either.

    Allison Max did both crimes. This makes her guilty of sex crimes. Mack conspired with Van-can’t-get-it-up to commit these crimes. This is hardly “just a victim”. If she had been so fearful, as soon as her VanDaddy was arrested and behind bars, Mack would have gone to the DOJ without passing go and collecting $200.00.

    Mack had plenty of time to make a deal with the DOJ. Had she been the first on the “Let’s Make a Deal Bus”, like Nancy Salzman, she would have got the best deal. When asking for bail, Mack said she was working on a plea deal with the DOJ but it didn’t happen for months. Mack was also heard in court at a hearing saying she was going to take one for the team before anyone took a deal.

    I’m not buying the Mack’s a victim crap. There were plenty of women in DOS who never did illegal things and were not part of NXIVM’s criminal enterprise.

    • in fact, anyone could be asked to have sex with KAR but the witnesses who testified were part of the Allison group, although Jay was an India slave, who was an Allison slave but also had her own slaves recruited, now in DOS. There were 150 women at the best moment between Canada, USA, and Mexico and to this number you subtract the 8 first line slaves of which only Allison and Lauren were accused and India who was originally accused but then received a free pass from DOJ, probably for the contacts of her mother and grandmother, and you also subtract the two witnesses, Nicole and Jay, you will see that there are many women who did not want to testify either because they remain faithful or because of shame.

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